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FORUM HAS MOVED!!!

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FORUM HAS MOVED!!!

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FORUM HAS MOVED!!!

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NYC gameplan for meeting women

Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:59:28 +0000

Hey all,

I recently got out of a relationship. After a month of going out but not meeting anyone that I'm into, I'm going back to the drawing board. As context, I'm 26 year old and like to think I have a lot going for me (decent looking, in shape, dress well, awesome job, ivy grad etc...). I'm interested in getting into a relationship with a girl 22-27. I'm less interested in the "hot girl at the club" than an attractive, bright girl who has similar ambitions. Weird, I think I might be growing up...haha

My biggest problem atm is that I don't make adequate time to go out and don't appropriately choose where to spend my time. Hanging out with friends at the local dive bar is great, but not going to give me results. Thus, here's where I'll plan on meeting this girl in NYC. I'm just getting back on the horse, so any critiques and suggestions are more than welcome.

Bars Bars can be a dead-end for me. There's nothing worse than "it's 2 AM, lets go to the LES" and then find yourself inside a bar with tons of dudes. I'll go out 2-3 nights a week but will focus my efforts on trendy lounge spots in NYC. It seems like Soho, W. Village, and Meatpacking can be fruitful, particularly on weekdays. I don't drink much but will have to be careful with that

Cultural stuff in NYC This is the biggest area where i want to focus on. There are some Meetup groups that seem cool. I have a pretty wide range of interests and could enjoy going to museum events, book-readings, etc... Anyone have recommendations of Meetup groups, museums, etc... that are good for meeting girls.

Coffee shops I typically go to the starbucks near Union Sq but for whatever reason, they don't seem to attract that many girls. Also, I'm somewhat disillusioned by coffee shops since I don't focus there on work and also don't meet many girls. However, it's a no-brainer to spend a couple hours a week reading at a coffee shop to allow serendipity to happen Anyone know any good coffee shops in NYC? I live near Un Sq but I think my best bet is to spend more time in W. Village

Online I've been on some solid online dates in the past. I have to make my profile more engaging, but for the most part, I've noticed that with enough outgoing emails you get good responses.

This should take 15-20 hours / week. I have a busy job but can certainly spare that kind of time. Anything that I'm missing from this list?

True Vulnerability?

Sun, 23 Oct 2011 22:22:07 +0000

I've done a lot of ballsy and vulnerable things lately. Things that i would have never thought of doing just a few months ago. However, there's one thing I'm terrified to do and that's to be 100% vulnerable and honest to my mother and sister. My mother still thinks I'm an angel (she's very religious) and my sister thinks I can do no wrong.

I feel like they don't even know who I am anymore. My little sister has been down in the dumps lately and comes to me with her problems. But, I have problems of my own and won't speak of it to her.

So I guess my question is, should I let my sister and mother know some of the things I've done. Things like drinking, having sex, smoking weed occasionally, etc. and be completely honest with them. Or is all the information going to be too much for them?

I think I'm not a smart guy.

Sun, 23 Oct 2011 07:10:46 +0000

“An intellectual is a person who's found one thing that's more interesting than sex.”—Aldous Huxley

Is 2012 finally coming true?

Sun, 23 Oct 2011 01:26:28 +0000

The prophecy that is made by the mayans, Hindu's, chinese+shit load of other cultures. The mayan calender ends on 2012, and predicts it's the end of ages, and they were pretty accurate on other predictions. We are seeing Middle eastern regimes being toppled down, a potential economic depression coming in the way, occupy wall street, America's fall and declining power projection in the world and a hole of other shit is changing around the world. I sort of think something big is beginning to happen and something huge is going to happen at this date.

Hilarious Rush Limbaugh Video

Sun, 23 Oct 2011 00:22:47 +0000

Colbert pokes fun at Rush Limbaugh's lack of "presearch" after he claims Obama is killing good Christians and takes it back, muttering something about research.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert...ccusations

The worst part is people actually hang on to every word he says, haha.

State of wall street financial market

Sat, 22 Oct 2011 09:23:58 +0000

I admit, I was mostly ignorant when it comes to US economic. In fact, ignorant is bliss, but you cant remain ignorant forever.

Until one day, i watched both the inside jobs and too big to fail and do a little more research on derivative then i got massively pissed.

I dont know what the fuck the politician is doing, but the US is massively fucked.

Trillions(yes trillions) of dollars wasted on what is essentially gambling. Wallstreet brought absolutely zero value to society and yet stole from 95 percent of US population and the rest of the world.

Right now we got an incompetant president who basically hired the same fucking people who ruined this country to begin with and made all the same mistakes Bush did.

For those who understand a thing about US economy, what in your opinion must our politican do to fix this economy?

IMO, here's my perspective.

1. Fire all those people who ruined our economy. Do what FDR did and start hiring the real experts from top universities and have them as presidental advisors.

2. Start incorporating massive tariffs so that the US trade deficit gets lower and put the jobs back into the market.

3. Get rid of the Universal healthcare. Universal Healthcare might be ok during the Clinton ERA when the economy was good, but its an unacceptable program during our current state.

4. Start to massively inflate the dollars so that our labors are competitive to the rest of the world.

5. Start putting massive regulation on derivatives and wall streets.

6. Start to massively tax the rich. Put us back into pre-reagan era and tax those damn rich people 75 percent instead of the bullshit 15 percent that is right now.

7. Reinstate the glass steagall act.

Jobs is the primary reason why we elected Obama and he needs to concentrate his energy on it. We dont give a shit if he kills bin laden, abortion issues or other irrevelant issues that he's concentrating on.

There's probably more that should be done and i want to hear you guys input.

Feeling apathetic when cold approaching

Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:41:04 +0000

Hi Guys,

Lately, one of my biggest issues seems that I've become quite apathetic when I go out. I've had a long string of bad nights for the past month and don't really know what to do about it.

I go out 4-5 nights a week, but I feel so bored and ill-tempered when I'm in the club. I don't have much approach anxiety anymore, but now I feel I only approach out of self-discipline or that nagging feeling that I should be approaching. This has been very frustrating and it kind of stresses me out, leading to bad nights.

I've had some great successes in the past year and I regularly date and sleep with attractive women, but it seems like I've been on a downhill slide lately. I’m 23, so maybe I’m starting to mature a little bit and clubs and party girls don’t seem so exciting anymore. I don’t feel happy or sad, just indifference.

I can compare cold-approaching in clubs to going to the gym. I don't really feel like going, but I still go because I want the results and I have good self-discipline.

I don't really want to take a break from cold approaching, but I’m trying to meet women through other ways such as building a better social circle, taking classes, volunteering and generally living a better life.

BTW. I'm quite happy in all other areas of my life and I don't think I'm depressed.

Has anyone else experienced this phenomenon where they just feel really lethargic when they're out? What did you do about it?

The idea of 9s and 10s

Fri, 21 Oct 2011 06:51:21 +0000

I just came from a LoveSystems Seminar on Daygame. I thought I'd check it out since it was under $50. The only thing I learnt was a better way to approach moving street sets. I usually step right in front of them, but their suggestion on opening from the back and turning her to face 90 degrees from her initial trajectory seems smoother and less threatening.

The rest of the stuff was just BS evolutionary psychology and silly ideas like 9s and 10s. I didn't realize this when Mark talked about it, but I have an absolute hatred for the idea of 9s and 10s. What the fuck does that mean? If a girl is a knockout hottie and she has emotional issues, is she still a 9? I was surprised that people with so much experience with girls under their belt have such a shallow view of the world. I hate it when "teachers" propagate limiting beliefs on their students. The instructor (Nick Hoss - latest hotshot junior instructor) was talking about how you should build up from 6s to 7s to 8s to 9s. I was flabbergasted to say the least. Come on dude. They are all people. Everybody has their insecurities. 9s have insecurities just like us. They are not the perfect goddesses that they are made out to be. I was lucky from the get go because I've always believed in the intrinsic value of people. Game actually fucked me up on that, but core beliefs are not easily dislodged.

Funny thing is when Mark wrote his article, I dismissed it as making too big of a deal. But having done this for a while, I feel my blood boiling when guys talk about 9s and 10s. How about you shut up and just approach and see how it goes? The reason it irks me so much is that it propagates the idea that we as we are, are not enough. I feel, eventually, game boils down to the idea that "I am enough as I am". After that it, it's upto the girl and mutual compatibility.

Dating multiple women: Shadow's thread

Fri, 21 Oct 2011 06:23:07 +0000

I thought I'd make a different thread for this so I don't hijack Slim's thread. I'm having the same problem as Slim. The thing is, I've been upfront right from the start that until we both agree we are mutually committed, we are free to be dating other people. I also hang out only once a week with this girl. Phone and text contact is quite low as well. But this girl is falling for me way too deep. Part of it is that she hasn't been with a guy in a long time and she likes me way more than I like her (even though I haven't been with a girl for almost infinitely longer than she hasn't been with a guy).

I also drop hints periodically alluding to other women. I had no problem doing all these things so far. Now that I care about this chick somewhat, I don't like doing this to her. I'm definitely not ok making her my girlfriend. So I'm kind of caught between the devil and the deep sea, even though I'm being upfront and inline with all our previous talks.

More than anything, I would like some insight on why I'm feeling bad despite having been upfront. Am I being unfair to her? Is it ok to do what I'm doing? Above all, I value my integrity. I don't want to do anything to compromise that. But I'm a bit hazy about this situation. So any advice/insight will be appreciated.

Dating a really attractive girl

Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:30:17 +0000

Obviously there are benefits (which need not be spoken) and cons to dating a hot chick. This is my first experience dating a really attractive girl and I need some advice. I obviously see a lot of guys ogling her and she tells me all the time about guys hitting on her awkwardly. I was wondering what kind of experience (external factors) should I be expecting when dating her and how jealously comes into play. I would think the more confident and secure I am with myself the less jealous I would be. Any thoughts/comments on this topic?

Article by alexander - someone, is this legit?

Thu, 20 Oct 2011 01:12:34 +0000

So a friend of my gave me a link to an article written by some instructor, he said it was good stuff.

So I started reading it and I just got confused, and then it hit me, this guy is working for RSD! That explains the weird termology he used, however I dont know what to feel about this. The article basicly stated that the girl feels whatever you feel, so if you're nervous you are fucked, and she can always unconsiously read your state, your heartrate, your breath pattern and everything.

Anyone with knowledge in psychology here? The article is kinda long but if you have nothing to do, feel free to read it and give your comments:

http://alexattitude.com/archives/95

Ive identified one of my problems

Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:19:02 +0000

I think I have a problem making new friends and let them into my life cause I dont want them to know Im kind of a loser.

Im 24 and have no driver licence and almost no friends, almost no hobbies more than strenght training and it feels like I just dont "know" as much about the world as other people in my age.

Thing is I dont LOOK like the typical "nerd nolifer" guy, Im muscular, tattooed and masculine features, so from the outside I dont look like a loser, but I really am, so its like I dont want them to "find out the truth". I guess Im in shame for my life and its affecting my people skills.

How would u go about solving this?

Tyler "You need a girl to fuck u over to get good game"

Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:30:30 +0000

I dont know if im allowed to post this video here cause its from another company, but I just felt Tyler talks alot of nonsense in here. He basicly say that to get good game you have to have a girl fuck you over to get you really motivated.

Is my lifestyle as bad as I think?

Tue, 18 Oct 2011 04:29:51 +0000

Hey,

So lately I haven't been going out and I've been using my lifestyle as an excuse. I know Mark wrote a blog post about this, but I would still like to gain some insight about my situation.

-23 years old.
-Recently graduated, having a hard time finding a job (lot of recent grads are )
-Live with my parents (Most people I know around my age live with their parents as well; rent is very expensive in Toronto)
-In decent shape
-Pretty good looking (from what I've been told)
-Have two really good friends that I always hang out plus other friends that I hang out with from time to time
-Have your average guy hobbies (watching sports, shooting pool, etc)

I know I need to explore my hobbies. I love to ski and paintball, but since money is kind of tight I don't really do that right now.

Most of my day is devoted to trying to find a job, but the job market is really tough right now. Might start a seasonal part time job soon, but I want a full time job that will lead to a career.

So I guess my question is, should I still go out and cold approach or should I forget about pickup for a while? If I go out, it's not like I'm going to ignore all these issues but still.

Also, do I get more of a free pass on my lifestyle since I'm a younger guy and the girls I will be going for are going to be mostly in the age range of 19 to 24?

Thanks.

On club game and club fights

Mon, 17 Oct 2011 21:23:03 +0000

Hello guys

Okay so i think its time to write about many ideas that i have around my head i have been procrastinating writing in this forum(which i consider the healthiest around the web) i have been reading many posts but never actually write about my own concers nor post in any threads. So i want comments on this 2 things

1.- Expecting a good connection with a woman in a club is unrealistic? when i just go with my friends and just grab a girl for dancing isnt that hard but then my sticking point comes when i want to get a lasting connection and getting a solid number to go on a date im doing something wrong or is just the tendency of a club? just makeouts no numbers

2.- On club fights what would you have done if you were dancing with a girl and randomly she tells you to grab some drinks and then when you going through the place 3 random guys start threatening you, you camly try to get away and one of them punches you in the back head you would have pick up the fight right there or with your friends the problem is that im not sure yet if i should have just punch the guy right there. im a person who gets mad easily but i just thought i wasnt a good idea so the matter its bothering me thoughts?(i know i could have take the guy down i was at least 20 pounds bigger and i have been hitting the gym hard the last year)

The woes of a single man...

Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:52:55 +0000

I know this isn't exactly covering new ground, but its something that I'm experiencing at the moment.

I've recently finished university/college, and now working 5 days a week in the financial district of london.

Basically, I'm finding the contrast in terms of readily available women much lower now then it was at university. In my office, there are no feasible/realistic women to hit on. There are a few nice looking women, but are both much older and also married. So thats not really a realistic target for me.

I'm just finding its tough to meet girls now that I'm working all the time. Ok, I see a few nice girls walking around at lunch..But realistically, cold approaching just isn't the done thing around here. But may have to start this. I just would rather go about it another way.

Generally, I find week nights I'm seriously tired from the day, I don't have the energy to go out to bars every night, and at the moment I don't have the money either, as I don't get my first paycheck till the end of the month.

So that leaves the weekends. Where I've had a couple of one night stands over the last few months. Nothing more. I've been able to pick up some barely average to average/just above average girls. But no hot girls.

But the real crux is, I want to find a girl that I can actually develop something with. I've been playing the 'field' over the last few years and had a regular amount of one night stands etc, but to be honest, I'm getting bored of that lifestyle. It doesn't leave you in the best of emotional states in a deeper, longer term way.

But since I don't have any girls at my work that are realistic at all, I'm not sure where I'm going to 'develop' something more long term with a girl just yet. I think having a LTR would be healthy for me right now. Would make weekends more casual and relaxed, would prefer to chill with gf then have to go out, get drunk, spend loads of money, and have a one night stand possibly. I just don't think its worth the hassle.

So thats my problem..where do I meet a girl that I can actually develop something with?

I guess these things are sometimes cyclical and sometimes just about being the right moment at the right time etc. Maybe I will meet a girl randomly soon, maybe after work/on the weekends and something will begin.

But the truth is, it gets depressing. I haven't had a relationship in over 4-5 years now. I think I'm fairly good looking, and a fun person to be around, and I get a fair share of action with girls in a 'pleasure' sense. But when it comes to forming actual relationships with girls, it just doesn't seem to happen, and it does get frustrating. As if for whatever reason, it just won't happen for me.

And maybe its just the way it goes sometimes. Perhaps when we are young men, still not 'mature' in some senses its one of those things, that may become more realistic in time. But still. Would like a gf, but can't seem to find one..

Maybe I just need to make extra effort to approach girls that I see that give me that 'wow' feeling..its just so often its in a really public place, like a tube, or a coffee shop, and its the kind of thing where everyone hears/sees you trying to chat that girl up..And I dunno..generally from experience girls are more receptive to be chatted up if there are less people around. They don't want to be 'seen' as that girl who lets some stranger chat them up..if you know what I mean..

I hope this wasn't too boring/long to read. I wonder if anyone has any similar experience/advice/thoughts. Thanks.

Clubgame model

Sun, 16 Oct 2011 10:10:32 +0000

Hello Mark,

i read in this book that your day game model is

- Go direct
- Light cold read
- Normal conversation for 1-2 minutes
- Light qualification
- Normal conversation for 1-2 minutes
- Number close

Thanks for the information. And how is your model for clubs? The same? I read your new book. I didnt find also.