(10-17-2011 09:31 AM)shadow Wrote: Ya, because people start training to be pro players before they show any promise of success, right? Think about technique when you have some kind of success. If you have no success and you keep concentrating on technique, your nascent enthusiasm is likely to be over. Set your goal and do whatever you feel like doing. If you feel like practicing, practice. If you feel like playing, play. And yes, I practiced "game" for 3 years. I've changed in those 3 years, but I had almost no results. Now, when I feel like I don't really need game is when I'm actually getting results. You don't need excellent "game" to get laid. All the normal "AFCs" around us have game? Don't come up with ridiculous excuse to explain your lack of success.
Also, having a coach is different. When you feel like giving up because of lack of results, he will make sure you don't. If you have that kind of conviction, you won't have to be talking about success with anybody. You'll make things happen. A good book to read for this is called, "Inner game of Tennis". Fascinating read.
If people took your advice, they would work on their body language for 6 months, then they'll work on their vocal tonality for 6 months, then they'll work on being alpha for 6 months. I mean really? Getting laid is that complicated? Please. By following people, you also tend to become rigidly attached to their way of doing things. How did they get there? How did Mystery come up with his stuff? By going out, right? By following his ridiculous "method" which is optimized to his personality, you will never develop your own way of doing things. Forget about silly shit. Go out and talk to chicks. You'll get there. Wasting time by thinking about peripheral things is not the optimal use of time. When I first read MM, I felt like it would take me years before I would get good. Why? Well, I had to fix so many things. That is all a load of bull.
Ultimately, there is only one magic pill - fierce desire to attain what you want. Everything else will fall into place if you have that. This talk about the ideal technique to learn things is all crap. If you have that desire, your path will become clear by itself.
Note: When I use you, it does not mean you per se.
Somehow I think we're discussing past each other. When I'm referring to working on you're craft or perfecting technique, I'm referring to people who want to be the best at something.
1) When I said find someone who has already done what you want to do. I meant a decent coach (like mark or someone else). I remember reading an interview with Omari Warren where he said that his clients mostly needed to drop a negative habbit, not necessarily become better people. He said that he had a client who had a lot going for himself, but he wasn't realizing it. The guy dropped his routines and a week later he lost his virginity.
In a nutshell this is also who I was, I needed to drop my low self-esteem and approach more. That was it for me. If a decent
coach came a long and helped you early one, you wouldn't have wasted 3 years.
Who said anything about working on body language for 6 months, working on being alpha for six months? Again please don't take my words out of context.You reallly took a weird way of improving, here is what my goals were: get comfortable around women, make a lot of female friends, get a girlfriend, realize that when you're approaching it's more a matter of her liking you or not, ask women out and enjoy their company.
This was my first approach "hey what is he doing", and I ended up having sex with the girl. lol.[/b]
This was my second approach "hey I wanted to talk to you cause I taught you looked cute, but normally I don't do this so I'm kinda nervous". The girl loved it!
But seriously every time now that I encounter an interaction and i want to get a new insight, I just shoot Mark an email.
And I always get a more experienced perspective back. How is that bad?
So what I'm doing is I go out, get experience and ask my questions to Mark (someone who has been there before me).
2) YOU determine your own standards. If you want to workout 3 times a week, by all means do so. If someone else works out 5 times a week, let them do so.
What I was referring to perfecting technique, I meant people who want to be the best in something. Face it, that is going to mean a lot of hours working on you're craft.
3) Am I saying to throw your common sense out of the window? NO, by all means no. But I don't see how working on time management, productivity makes you feel like a lousy person....
[b]You just have got to be critical enough to who you are taking advice from.This is mostly where the problems start to happen. Keep in mind that there are also a lot of people out there who just want to sell you something. Hell I heared Frank Kern talk about this, "make people feel bad and let them come back for more".
4) I agree with you on that fierce desire.
let's sum it up like this: fierce desire + expanding comfort zone + a more experienced perspective= success in a very short time.
5) If I want to know whether something is worth while, I always ask myself what is the fundamental skill lying underneath it. In the gym you have excercises such as "drag curls", "cheat curls" and you have terms such as "drop sets". Does this all matter so much?
Hell no: basicallly a good excercise is just an excercise that is basic and stimulates the basic movement of your muscles.
Do you need those "drop sets", not at all. All that you muscles need is just harder work then the previous work out.