What the fuck are you guys doing? Why are you guys getting sucked into community drama, wasting your time? When I posted the review, I wanted to do two things: a) Dispel the notion that Tyler is not good b) Point out that learning "game" can make you a giant douche if you are not careful. Only you can decide if getting laid is important enough to be a giant douche. Stop wasting your time with community drama.

LOL @shadow this always happens to rsd.

A lot of the blueprint was definitely too long-winded. But I still took some good points from it. I liked Foundations better, but whatever. As for the 'being in state' thing, I don't really see guys harping on that on the forum. Most of the time the rallying cry is 'go approach'. I got a chance to go out with 2 guys from the rsd forum a few months ago, and I learned a TON from those two guys. One of them was preparing to become an instructor with them, and he was totally normal. No state pumping, no ridiculous lines or anything. HE told ME to drop canned routines and 'material'. His opener was 'hi, I'm x'. All night, that's all he did and had completely normal conversations. To date, he was the best guy I've ever seen in person. And while I was there, I met 2 other guys from the rsd forum, and they were just normal dudes. No lines, no routines.

That one night completely changed how I looked at all this. I left that night saying 'shit, I've been doing all this planning and over-thinking about what I have to say and this guy just walks up and tells her his name. All I have to do is have a NORMAL damn conversation.' And I learned that from rsd guys.

I don't have any clue who Jeffy's sleeping with, and that's something that never really bothered me, about any instructors. I never judged instructors by the girls they get, because their tastes aren't always my tastes.

I know from personal experience, I approach girls all the time that the guys I'm with wouldn't even think to approach. They approach girls I don't want at all. And 'community guys' have the highest standards I've ever heard of, NOT lower. Their standards for what's attractive is absurdly rigid a lot of the time. Sometimes I feel like some guys approach girls not because he thinks she's attractive, but because she matches up with some community standard of what's SUPPOSED to be attractive. Like they say to themselves, 'guys would definitely say that's an 8, I should approach her'.

Other guys might think the girls Jeffy's sleeping with are fat or ugly, but if HE thinks she's attractive and HE wants to sleep with her, and he GETS her, it's a valid pickup to me. I'm sure everyone here has approached a girl you deemed 'less' than you, only for her to blow you off, so it's not like it's a given that he'll get her.

Also, I've noticed that the word 'fat' seems to get tacked onto any woman that isn't a size zero, so I take the use of that word with a grain of salt. I was out with one guy who wouldn't approach at all, so I started pointing out girls for him. If she wasn't a stick, he deemed her 'fat' or 'chunky' or 'thick'. It was absolutely ridiculous, which goes back to what I was saying earlier about community guys having MUCH higher standards then normal guys, and I'm sure a lot of that is because they're more concerned with impressing other guys with 'the 9 I picked up' then actually just getting a girl they're attracted to.

*yawn*

Don't you guys have something better to talk about?

Guys this is a serious waste of time. RSD isn't hiding the ball. Tyler has a bunch of free vids on youtube. The paid content is basically more of the same. If you think they give solid advice, check out more of their stuff. If you don't like it, don't. They aren't using secret manipulation tactics, if you like their stuff, buy it. If not, don't.

(10-03-2011 10:49 AM)Jon Wrote:  Guys this is a serious waste of time. RSD isn't hiding the ball. Tyler has a bunch of free vids on youtube. The paid content is basically more of the same. If you think they give solid advice, check out more of their stuff. If you don't like it, don't. They aren't using secret manipulation tactics, if you like their stuff, buy it. If not, don't.

U sure about that?

Quote:Let's face it, a structural approach is a prerequisite for a NEWBIE to increase his skill in a fast manner. But even though he gets good faster he will most likely connect this increasement to his own accomplishment and soon enough he wont need us. On the other hand, if we go about teaching universal principles aswell as emotional states and being a dude with no ego this will directly connect his GOOD NIGHTS (we all have them) and the feelings you experience under those nights to those concepts in which he will realte it to us and thereby make it appear like we got him into a whole different world just cause we put WORDS ON THESE CONCEPTS while in reality he would have experienced them anyway. We will be perceived as gods in his eyes. At the same time, while having no cut clear structure for improvement to follow he will experience tons of things which he will have no answer how to solve and therefor reach for his gods (us, muaha) to help him. He will be in a constant loop of education (which he feel like he MUST HAVE) from us and will have a really hard time to break free thinking he have all the knowledge needed.

Everytime a student asks me for a struture these days, I'll go "Dude, lets focus on principles here" and quickly move him into another headspace, principles can never be fully "understood" which will increase the chance for confusement in the long run hence give us more long time customers.

That's an obvious fake. TD is a much more fluent writer than that. Few grammatical or spelling errors, no made up words like "confusement." on the other hand, the guys who write that blog are incapable of writing properly, and it shows up in their fake TD posts

(10-03-2011 11:17 PM)Jon Wrote:  That's an obvious fake. TD is a much more fluent writer than that. Few grammatical or spelling errors, no made up words like "confusement." on the other hand, the guys who write that blog are incapable of writing properly, and it shows up in their fake TD posts

Yeah you have a point right there, but Im not sure it was actually TD who wrote that, they just stated it was from the instructors forum

1) if they have access to the instructor's forum, why not produce screen shots, like they did with the Cajun post on the main RSD forum.

2) TD has pissed off so many former instructors that there's no way that shit like this would not have leaked before. If TD had written shit half this bad Barry would have been all over it.

3) As far as I can tell from RSD's forums, all of them have writing ability better than that. Not that they are great writers, but they can spell, don't make up words etc. On the other hand, the mistakes in that post are extremely similar to the mistakes that the author of the blog makes. Even Ozzie, who isn't a native English speaker, is a better writer than this.

4) aside from all that, if it is a real quote but not TD, then you have no idea how that comment was received. TD could very well have slapped the guy down. The guy might not be an RSD instructor anymore.

I think therese a leaked file out there named "rsd_Confidential" with posts from the instructors forum, it might be from that file they've got it. People said there was screenshots and stuff there

I've seen the file. It's lifted from like 2006-2007. That and Barry Kirkey's old stories about working for them are pretty damning.

The thing is, that was almost five years ago. There's a lot of shit that I said and did back in 2007 that I would not be proud of now. People often change...

My problem with RSD, and the reason why they're the only company I actively advise guys to NOT work with, is the horror stories from bootcamps I've heard from former customers... I've heard way too many at this point to not think that there's an overall problem with how they operate things over there.