(09-30-2011 04:15 PM)Mark Wrote:  This Scooby video sounds like very generic advice marketed in such a way to get normal people to believe both are possible at once. The way he has it set up, the caloric deficit is so small, and the gains are so small, the process is getting slowed down overall. So if you wanted to lose 8 lbs of fat and gain 6 lbs of muscle at once, you'd be looking at probably a year and a three months to get there under his method. Whereas that's two months of bulking and two months of cutting and maybe a month of maintenance in between the conventional way. Not to mention, most people lose their ability to both gain and lose at the same time after only six months of weight training. So sorry, it smells of a marketing gimmick to me. I would need to see some scientific research referenced by him to believe him any further.

I love it that you use the term marketing grimmick, since the guy offers free advice. Please explain that one to me.

I've tried both and honestly my gains weren't any different. I came to the conclusion that protein is by far the most important element in your diet. If you have a constant supply of protein you simply won't loose muscle. Not even on a calorie deficit. The second thing you'll need to be aware of is that you'll have enough carbs to refill muscle glycogen

In fact I can even say this. If your nutrition is set up in a way that you can loose fat and gain muscle at the same time. Well it's going to require a whole lot more discipline then simply bulking.

I don't see how people stop gaining muscle and loosing fat after six months? changing the diet would be the key here, or you can up the intensity of your workouts.

As for the scientific argument, well who did you rather believe a guy who has studied everything with zero results or a guy who can show you results? it's a no brainer. To give an exemple, a populair myth is that you need to eat every 3-4 hours or else you're body will start burn muscle. They tested this with two groups one had whey protein and one had chicken protein. Off course the whey protein group started losing muscle, this is a protein that gets digested very easily by the body. Tadaaa a new myth born. If you simply eat fat in combination with your protein, it will stay even longer in your body.

Another popular one is the you have to eat before you go to bed.

But the answer as always, is do the research yourself and then try it out. What I've given you as advice is tried and tested for decades and has worked best for me. And I've tried (and screwed up) a variety of things.

And Brian, I don't pretend to be a fitness expert. But I've been working out and reading up on fitness and nutrition for a few years now, and I have made significant results over that period of time (losing 35 lbs of fat over a year; adding over 100 lbs to my bench press, etc.). Skinny guys with guts who want to get stronger, I do have personal experience with and have succeeded with myself, so I feel qualified to answer them. Your insistence of a six-pack as the metric for fitness success is pretty lame. There are scrawny guys who have six packs simply because of genetics or anorexia.

I didn't post this to critique your personallly.

So I speak from experience of what I studied and has worked well for me. If you have gotten great results in the gym, and can speak from experience and research you've learned (not asking your "bro" for advice), then by all means share it. Tell us your weight before and after and the gains in your lifts you achieved. But if you have no idea what you're talking about, then just don't post.