Well, thanks for that lesson Pepper, but I've laid dozens of women off cold approach day game, so I think I'm set, thanks.

I agree, and mentioned in my first reply, that indirect in college can work. But I still think you should be more casual and basically make the goal to invite them out to a party or campus function. In my experience, attraction material just never comes out right during the day. Be casual, get their phone number by inviting them to a party or event. They'll be far more likely to come out and will think they just made a cool friend (girls in college are always looking to hang out with people who know about parties). Then once they've come out, start gaming them there. That's what I did in college and it was extremely successful (20-25 lays my last three semesters).

I have a whole product dedicated to campus game which has a day game bonus if you care. http://www.manoncampus.com/

(10-02-2011 03:16 PM)Mark Wrote:  I agree, and mentioned in my first reply, that indirect in college can work. But I still think you should be more casual and basically make the goal to invite them out to a party or campus function. In my experience, attraction material just never comes out right during the day. Be casual, get their phone number by inviting them to a party or event. They'll be far more likely to come out and will think they just made a cool friend (girls in college are always looking to hang out with people who know about parties). Then once they've come out, start gaming them there. That's what I did in college and it was extremely successful (20-25 lays my last three semesters).

I have a whole product dedicated to campus game which has a day game bonus if you care. http://www.manoncampus.com/

Agree dude it's more typical for a girl and her friends to meet up with a guy and his friends, but this leads to absolutely terrible logistics and cockblocking, so the date in college is still superior.

And I no longer attend that college, I convocated a few years ago, it's my alma mater. There's no way in hell I'd be running cold approach day game on campus if I still attended the school, don't want the rep as the creepy lone wolf on campus. Now since I don't know anyone there I don't care. I still look young enough to not look out of place and can pass for an undergrad - hell a couple girls I opened asked if I was a freshman.

Also, I understand that the original Mystery Method worked really well, borderline aspie nerds who were practically virgins got tons of lays from it (check out the mASF/Attraction Forums field reports circa 2006-07). The problem was The Game was published then the VH1 show came out, lots of amateur PUAs got into the scene and a lot of guys started getting called out on the routines.

Now the seduction community's morphed into the seduction industry and every self-professed guru and their grandpa is peddling their own PUA method. "Natural game"/ "Direct Game" etc. I say all power to them - there's far fewer guys out there in the field still using MM routines, which means the less I get called out on material that works - and the more I get laid

(10-02-2011 04:06 PM)PepperSpray Wrote:  Also, I understand that the original Mystery Method worked really well, borderline aspie nerds who were practically virgins got tons of lays from it (check out the mASF/Attraction Forums field reports circa 2006-07). The problem was The Game was published then the VH1 show came out, lots of amateur PUAs got into the scene and a lot of guys started getting called out on the routines.

Now the seduction community's morphed into the seduction industry and every self-professed guru and their grandpa is peddling their own PUA method. "Natural game"/ "Direct Game" etc. I say all power to them - there's far fewer guys out there in the field still using MM routines, which means the less I get called out on material that works - and the more I get laid

I get the sense you might have some knowledge of what works on borderline aspie nerds.

You realize that the guy you are lecturing about indirect game is a prominent pick up instructor who has met most of the guys in the industry? I'm pretty sure he knows the virtues and drawbacks of mystery method. You are free to disagree with mark, but he definitely knows about mASF.

Also, sorry, but are you getting laid?

Mark and Jon: Maybe we should let the guy experiment and come to his own conclusions?

The only reason I don't like his approach is that it seems like a shit ton of work for a lay that is not even guaranteed. All that texting and the girl is not going to meet him in all likelihood. Might as well keep it simple. But, I say let him experiment with what he feels is best.

Pepper, if MM "works" for you, then what are doing on a message board asking for advice and complaining about girls flaking? I don't really understand.

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Blonde, 7.
Friday at noon.


Text exchange Friday night:

Quote:(Around 6 pm)
Me: so I told Chris what you'd said, he's in tears but he agrees. I should hire you as my therapist how was the rest of your day
(Around 8:30pm)
Her: Damn hope he feels better my day has been good did you try to call just now by any chance?
Me: ya we got him vodka shots he'll be fine. I did call, pick up
Her: K

Spoke on the phone for ~15 min, hinted at a hangout next week, she seems down.

This player recommends calling the next day instead of texting + seeding a date - and has the stats to back it up. I used to think this strategy was too pushy but I think it's best - escalating from the momentum off the initial interaction is key.

http://www.seductionpath.com/posts/should-i-call-her

Quote:Test conditions
Now, I’m back with my research for the current year, to be more specific: 01.01.2011 -> 30.04.2011.

Here I’m going to concentrate on another question: What’s the perfect algorithm for calling them.

Here are the conditions of the test:

only number closes, no online game
I usually got day game numbers in 5 minutes or less using direct game (=> lack of comfort)
80-90% of my closes are from day game so I’ll disregard the rest
My results: After ~80 number closes I had 10 new lays (*) in 4 months. (One in eight girls I number closed was a lay)

* one was a social circle lay and another one was a previously sarged girl I number closed a second time

When you should give up calling:
after you called her 5 total times without an answer (2 times the first day, 2 times 3 days after, etc)
after 3 consecutive flakes (even though I could get her on the phone easily)
on 3 successions or 2 weeks of comfort calls and flakes or comfort calls and excuses when I invite her out
^^^ the last one can be translated to a mathematical formula: (3*successions || 2*weeks)(comfort_calls && flakes || comfort_calls && excuses)

Techniques that succeeded:
1st place: Day 1: comfort call + seeding a date, Day 2: fclose
2nd place: Day 1: comfort call, Day 2++ (a few days of no contact) and no later than Day 7: comfort call + fclose
3rd place: Day 1: meet directly, Day 2: fclose
* Day 0 => the day I’ve met her, Day 1 => the day after

What I learned from my experience:
delete girls that flake on you 3 times (even though they keep the phone convo)
delete girls that you couldn’t meet with in 2 weeks
delete girls that don’t answer after 5 total calls (all, of course, spread over 1 week)
dirty fuck the rest

On day game approaches that last under 15 minutes definitely call them the next day! You work with momentum and they remember you, reactivate the emotions they felt, etc. You're losing their interest on each day that passes.

My new strategy:
Day 0: get digit, send callback humour texts same night + gotta (DHV activity) ttyl
Day 1: send non-sequiter text the next night to get her laughing, ask how her day went, after a couple text exchanges text "got a sec?", upon drawing compliance call her immediately and seed date.

(10-02-2011 05:41 PM)shadow Wrote:  Mark and Jon: Maybe we should let the guy experiment and come to his own conclusions?

I agree he should experiment and come to his own conclusions but

1) since he isn't getting great results (by which I mean laid, not numbers) he shouldn't lecture others and

2) he's specifically posting asking for critiques.

(10-02-2011 02:43 PM)PepperSpray Wrote:  At this point I've dropped enough subtle bait/DHV spikes for her to see me as a high value guy and invest in the interaction, and just as her buying temperature has peaked I get the number, seed a hangout and bounce.

I would suggest that you're taking the wrong approach. Speaking only for myself here, I'm not interested in making women think I'm a high-value guy, I'm interested in actually being a high-value guy. You can get laid the first way, no doubt, but in my opinion it's not a very good way to live.

But, it looks like you have an approach that you're committed to, so I'll just say good luck and leave it at that.