I've posted the FRs to get feedback on my approaches.

Some guys in here recommended I go direct. However. it's never worked for my friends, it's never worked for guys I know who've tried it, and it's never worked for most guys who've done it on the forum.

Read the thread here:

http://www.practicalpickup.com/forum/sho...hp?tid=181

And here:

http://www.practicalpickup.com/forum/sho...hp?tid=140

If I can close 1 in 3 while going indirect and 1 in 10 while direct, why go direct? Quoting Roosh, there are women who would've slept with you had you gone indirect instead of direct, but never the other way around.

I really want to see how a good direct day game approach is done. I've never seen one. If anyone on this forum wants to share audio/video or even a transcript of a successful direct day game approach, please do.

The benefit of direct is effort/reward. Your hit rate is lower, but you get higher quality interactions with far less effort. Direct produces far fewer flakes as well.

With that said, there are a TON of people who have had success with direct... including most people on this forum and literally every guy I've ever coached. Generally once guys get success with going direct, they never go back to indirect. I don't even teach indirect day game and haven't in about three years because it feels completely pointless.

You still haven't answered if you've laid any of these girls, or even gotten them out on dates. You obviously can get phone numbers. But phone numbers are very easy to get. If you genuinely want help and advice, then you need to be honest about what you're having problems with.

go to Mark's site http://www.pickuptube.net and check out the free day game videos. Rob Judge and Zack Bauer do direct day game. You have to sign up for the site but those videos are free.

I don't think its of criitcal importance to open super direct, and outside of the daytime street game context I tend to just open by starting the conversation on whatever topic I want. Street game, however, requires that you get a woman to stop where she is going to talk to you, so you can't just start chatting away.

What I find is that when you do a bunch of routine based game which is less interactive and involves not showing any interest, you end up with a lot of flaky numbers but fewer blowouts. On the other hand when you just chat and show interest, you get blown out more quickly, but you waste less time.

Also, there absolutely are women who will lose interest when you go indirect because they know you are into them and don't like the BS.

(10-08-2011 05:26 AM)PepperSpray Wrote:  I've posted the FRs to get feedback on my approaches.

Some guys in here recommended I go direct. However. it's never worked for my friends, it's never worked for guys I know who've tried it, and it's never worked for most guys who've done it on the forum.

Read the thread here:

http://www.practicalpickup.com/forum/sho...hp?tid=181

And here:

http://www.practicalpickup.com/forum/sho...hp?tid=140

If I can close 1 in 3 while going indirect and 1 in 10 while direct, why go direct? Quoting Roosh, there are women who would've slept with you had you gone indirect instead of direct, but never the other way around.

I really want to see how a good direct day game approach is done. I've never seen one. If anyone on this forum wants to share audio/video or even a transcript of a successful direct day game approach, please do.

It's a lot easier to get a phone number when you go indirect, but many of these will be useless. You'll have to then change her perspective of you into one of romantic possibility. It's just a lot more effective to establish romantic vs. platonic at the start.

Also, I would argue there are women who would sleep with you had you gone direct instead of indirect, and not the other way. Some will appreciate your confidence and candor and if they're already looking to get laid, they consider that sufficient reason to go with you instead of the guy who showed them magic tricks.

Also, just wanted to report in that, as a guy on this forum, going direct works MUCH better for me than indirect. It's almost all I ever do now, and I would never go back to opinion openers.

(10-08-2011 05:26 AM)PepperSpray Wrote:  Some guys in here recommended I go direct. However. it's never worked for my friends, it's never worked for guys I know who've tried it, and it's never worked for most guys who've done it on the forum.

I know there is a lot of debate on direct vs. indirect, but to me what is more important is the intentions behind my words. To me, going direct is more than being verbally direct, but truly being genuine with it. Are you just spewing out words directly because you think it will get you a reaction or do you really mean what you say?

(10-02-2011 09:52 PM)PepperSpray Wrote:  #6
Blonde, 7.
Friday at noon.


Text exchange Friday night:

Quote:(Around 6 pm)
Me: so I told Chris what you'd said, he's in tears but he agrees. I should hire you as my therapist how was the rest of your day
(Around 8:30pm)
Her: Damn hope he feels better my day has been good did you try to call just now by any chance?
Me: ya we got him vodka shots he'll be fine. I did call, pick up
Her: K

Spoke on the phone for ~15 min, hinted at a hangout next week, she seems down.

So I went out with this girl on Friday. Picked her up at a bus stop near her place. She cleaned up real nice - tall, slim, long blonde hair, hypnotic blue-green eyes - I'd bump her up to a legit 8.

Drove to a pub. Had a great time. Talked about school, work, family, growing up, meeting the President, travel stories etc. Teased her and complimented her - but always from a position of strength. Showed her some pics from my trip to Spain on my iPhone. The night started with her sitting across from me, a couple hours later and a couple pitchers later she was sitting next to me with my around her waist. Bounced from the pub and walked around the block for a bit, stopped by a Starbucks and 7-11 and came back to my place. She was impressed by my pad. Put on the slow jams and started making out... then she passed out on me! Still too tipsy to drive, so I walked her home and cabbed it back to my car still parked at the pub.

I actually liked this girl so I went easy on the kino, didn't try to get them panties off like most girls I bring back to the crib. She texted me the day after ["Hey how are u did u enjoy yourself last night"] so I think it's still on. Nice girl, definitely wouldn't mind seeing her again.

@ pepperspray

it sounds like you are doing just fine. what are you looking for comments on? if you say you can close 1 in 3 then maybe you should post more in where the conversation does not go as well.

Good stuff, pepperspray.

You need to tweak your routine stack though if you are sticking with it. You cold read the girl as down to earth then you transition by asking her what the craziest thing she's ever done is. That doesn't make sense. Change your cold read to "you seem adventurous...whats the craziest thing you've ever done."

Honestly though doing the same routine gets old change it up for your own sake lol . Try this and record it and let me know how your next interaction goes. Open with whatever you were using and instead immediately transition by saying "actually I just thought you were cute and had to come meet you." Then continue your stack. I bet you'll be surprised

(10-11-2011 06:35 PM)clipse Wrote:  You need to tweak your routine stack though if you are sticking with it. You cold read the girl as down to earth then you transition by asking her what the craziest thing she's ever done is. That doesn't make sense. Change your cold read to "you seem adventurous...whats the craziest thing you've ever done."

Good catch. I used to use the line "You seem pretty adventurous, what's the craziest thing you've ever done?" (listen to the older audio clips).

But consider the context in which that statement is ued. I've just told her about breaking up with my vain, shallow ex-girlfriend. Now I'm contrasting her with my crazy ex-girlfriend, qualifying her and screening her for compatibility.

"You seem down to earth" comes across like a genuine compliment especially when used in the context of contrasting her with my crazy ex-girlfriend. And every girl thinks of herself as down to earth irrespective of how vain she is. Then I immediately qualify her with "what's the craziest you've ever done" and irrespective of how she answers I smoothly transition to the ring/index finger routine.

(10-11-2011 06:35 PM)clipse Wrote:  Honestly though doing the same routine gets old change it up for your own sake lol . Try this and record it and let me know how your next interaction goes. Open with whatever you were using and instead immediately transition by saying "actually I just thought you were cute and had to come meet you." Then continue your stack. I bet you'll be surprised

Might consider that, however I'm weary of compliments on physical appearance. Girls here don't take them too well - I think it's the feminist brainwashing (there's more to me than my looks!). And everything I say subsequently will be framed in the context of me trying to impress her and win her over. She'll put her defence shield up and become weary and skeptical. So all the cold reads, routines etc. will come across as "wow he's totally trying too hard to pick me up".

The stack only works because of how harmless, random and innocuous it seems. I want her to walk away from the interaction thinking "Wow, he was a cool funny charming interesting guy. I wouldn't mind seeing him again." I have enough natural game to take it forward from there, but those first 5 minutes are key - the old Chris Rock maxim "a woman knows in the first 5 minutes whether she wants to sleep with you".