(09-26-2011 11:41 AM)shadow Wrote:  

(09-25-2011 10:43 PM)Mark Wrote:  Nobody needs "sick game" to get laid by cold approach. It's all a numbers game in the end. A good-looking guy with no game will eventually get laid for no other reason than his looks. I've seen it happen numerous times.

But if you took a mediocre looking guy with good game and a good-looking guy with mediocre game, I'd bet on the mediocre-looking guy with good game getting more action in the long-run. No question.

The "community" makes too big a deal of game. It is stupid and retarded to think that you need excellent game to get laid. What is game anyway? Just being upfront about your desires mixed in with some calibration. That is it. For the sake of selling fucking products to guys who are afraid to take action, the community makes them run in circles. I guess they are catering to what the guys really want - sugarcoated pills which allow them to stay in their comfort zone. It is just like the weight loss gimmicks.

I remember reading Aaron Sleazy's rant against the community and thinking, "This guy is just bullshitting". But after innumberable approaches, guess what, he is totally right. I think any guy wanting to get laid just needs two products:

1) Paul Janka's attraction factor/DVD set - To hammer in how it is all a numbers game. The guy has had weeks where he laid a new chick every day of the week. How? By putting in the numbers.

2) 60 YOC - To show what being masculine really is

The rest is all just putting in the work. Being ok with getting rejected. An indomitable will and being shamelessly upfront about desires. I swear, if you approach a 100 chicks being shamelessly upfront about your desires, you have to be seriously miscalibrated to not get laid. And you can approach 100 chicks in 1 week easily by doing 10 a day. Those 100 chicks can even be really attractive and the same thing still applies. It's gotten to the point where I seriously don't give a fuck about any material anymore.

Good post. But as Mark says, it helps too learn calibration just to get efficient. On the other hand how do you learn to be calibrated/efficient? By putting in the numbers LOL.
What do I mean? I came accross girls who absolutely hate too be teased and are insecure if you are teasing too much. Some girls really want to battle it out with you. You get the feeling for this by approaching a lot.

(09-26-2011 11:41 AM)shadow Wrote:  

(09-25-2011 10:43 PM)Mark Wrote:  Nobody needs "sick game" to get laid by cold approach. It's all a numbers game in the end. A good-looking guy with no game will eventually get laid for no other reason than his looks. I've seen it happen numerous times.

But if you took a mediocre looking guy with good game and a good-looking guy with mediocre game, I'd bet on the mediocre-looking guy with good game getting more action in the long-run. No question.

The "community" makes too big a deal of game. It is stupid and retarded to think that you need excellent game to get laid. What is game anyway? Just being upfront about your desires mixed in with some calibration. That is it. For the sake of selling fucking products to guys who are afraid to take action, the community makes them run in circles. I guess they are catering to what the guys really want - sugarcoated pills which allow them to stay in their comfort zone. It is just like the weight loss gimmicks.

I remember reading Aaron Sleazy's rant against the community and thinking, "This guy is just bullshitting". But after innumberable approaches, guess what, he is totally right. I think any guy wanting to get laid just needs two products:

1) Paul Janka's attraction factor/DVD set - To hammer in how it is all a numbers game. The guy has had weeks where he laid a new chick every day of the week. How? By putting in the numbers.

2) 60 YOC - To show what being masculine really is

The rest is all just putting in the work. Being ok with getting rejected. An indomitable will and being shamelessly upfront about desires. I swear, if you approach a 100 chicks being shamelessly upfront about your desires, you have to be seriously miscalibrated to not get laid. And you can approach 100 chicks in 1 week easily by doing 10 a day. Those 100 chicks can even be really attractive and the same thing still applies. It's gotten to the point where I seriously don't give a fuck about any material anymore.

Strongly disagree with that for many reasons.

Firstly, even in a big city the number of attractive women is limited. I had days in Berlin when I ejected out of ALL my sets for that reason (and I don't have higher standards than anybody else here).

Secondly, who can stand getting rejected so many times in a row? You can only stand a lot of rejection on the one hand, if you have at least a reasonable number of successes on the other hand.

Thirdly, especially daytime approaches do require solid skills, because it's socially unaccepted. As an average looking guy, you can approach as many girls you want, you won't hook a single set unless you develop conversational skills.

What people like Janka and Sleazy oversee is that there are not only "Yes" and "No" girls, but there's also a third category: "Maybe" girls. These are those who aren't into you directly, but you can still win them over when you have the ability to connect with them.

Actually I think we can come to a conclusion by saying that game is actually just removing your ANTI-GAME.

f.e. being nervous in conversations, not knowing when to escalate and how, not approaching women who give you eye contact etc...

But the things that make a women attracted to you are always going to be your lifestyle (looks, popularity, money, success).

It seems like those people who didn't know how to be socially calibrated from the start are actually the ones who are going to have to learn the most game. Seriously this is really a community disease, approaching 500 women and 1 date. That's just said. On this forum there are a couple of guys who have pulled a dream (anthony johnson) like this. I can only shake my head in disbelief when I read those posts.

@general: why would you approach women you're not attracted to and then eject?

(09-26-2011 11:22 PM)crazyhorse Wrote:  But the things that make a women attracted to you are always going to be your lifestyle (looks, popularity, money, success).

= the value you can add to her life. Having a strong emotional connection is another important factor here, besides looks, fame, status etc.

And building such a connection can be learned. It's one of the core elements of daygame, imo (I don't know about nightgame, because I've stopped that).

(09-26-2011 11:22 PM)crazyhorse Wrote:  @general: why would you approach women you're not attracted to and then eject?

I see an apparently attractive girl from 10 metres distance, so I approach. But then, after 2 minutes or so in set, I have a closer look at the details, like her lips etc.

I'm good looking, Id say a man dime . Haha. Anyway does looks affect your game? Yes they do, but girls look more at how you take care of yourself. Be the best you you can be, this means tanning, working out, eating right.

Overall your throwing these negs and this shit out blindly, there is a huge misconception about the proper application of negs and disinterest. I usually never use negs and disinterest. When I do its playful and funny, but the game itself is about showing INTEREST and DESIRE and letting the girl know she turns you on and you desire her. Women crave to be desired. Your whole problem is stemming from changing your behavior for these girls. Your changing how you act and who you are for them, this is inherent low value behavior.

I recommend you read Models .

(09-26-2011 09:04 AM)Ravla Wrote:  

(09-26-2011 07:55 AM)Traindom Wrote:  I know a girl who seems to have an undeniable test for "brutes," for lack of a better word.

Like Chabal?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/legacygallery...mage=95664

"He has been voted the sexiest man in France and the sexiest player at the World Cup." (from the Independent) I knew it was wise to grow beard and hair...

Hahaha. That's way too pretty compared to them. This is more like them:
http://images.wikia.com/ssb/images/c/c0/...lassic.jpg

(09-26-2011 11:41 AM)shadow Wrote:  The "community" makes too big a deal of game. It is stupid and retarded to think that you need excellent game to get laid. What is game anyway? Just being upfront about your desires mixed in with some calibration. That is it.

I think this is going a bit too far. There is such a thing as "being charming" which can get you better results with women. Also, "some calibration" downplays the extent to which we are talking about developing an unusual social skill. Most people do not know how to approach a stranger and start a social, and even sexual relationship without some pre-existing connection (warm approach). Normalizing that situation with any kind of frequency doesn't take "some calibration" it takes a lot of social skills.

Lifestyle can compensate for game and vice-versa in the right situations. A guy with poor social skills who is good-looking and has a wide circle of friends can still get laid quite often. A guy who is not good-looking and has few friends can still get laid often with really good social skills.

What can't be compromised is the courage to approach and escalate.