Looks like you're far more bitter about the whole Chinese race than I was just about the looks thing. I don't really disagree with you at all about the rudeness and everything, but wouldn't it make you feel just a little maligned to see someone saying your entire race (including yourself) is the ugliest race?

(09-20-2011 06:48 AM)jcxky Wrote:  Uh no, I have been to China several times and I have seen first hand what the country is like and what the people are like. The rest of Asia, sort of looks down on them (as much as they do on India). The Koreans and Japanese definitely don't like them and see them as below them; when I was in Singapore I saw several instances where elderly and ordinary Chinese being given the same treatment migrant Mexican, South Asian, and Fillipino workers get in other countries.

Nothing I disagree with here. I pointed out Korea and Japan above as better upholders of Confucian values (filial piety, than the PRC, not as them liking China/Chinese, although they obviously did so centuries ago. I'm from Singapore. Here, just like most other places with high immigration, many people view foreign immigrants as a source for a lot of social problems and are pretty disdainful towards them. Singapore on the other hand has a fairly good reputation among the PRC Chinese, even if they might just be interested in our money. On a larger scale though, Singapore has a lot of investments in China. The minor disputes I was talking about include the Suzhou Industrial Park debacle, where Singapore first came up with the idea of creating an industrial park in Suzhou and partnered with the Suzhou city government to build one, while the Commies decided they wanted their own which they'd control 100% at the same time allowing the deal with Singapore to proceed.

Quote:Yes, most of the Chinese are quite not good-looking, they had horrible teeth, looked androgynous and there were women without any long hair, (living in Beijing I saw this several times). Now of course there are the good and bad, but my experiences indicate to me that when you put a good-looking Chinese guy alongside good-looking guys of other races, they don't really stand out that much and usually end up mid-to lower tier alpha scale. If the Chinese were so attractive, why are they rated the least attractive race in surveys? Why isn't Chinese and Asian cinema in general more popular in Africa, the Middle East, certain parts of Asia and South America as compared to Bollywood? Why aren't there Eastern European, Middle Eastern or South American actresses trying to enter Chinese or Asian cinema in flocks? In a sense Roosh is right in that they don't really have an aesthetic appeal. The entire style and fashion in China is based off of K-pop, Jpop, and Taiwanese crap which is based off western creations. It resembles Billy Joel meeting Usher; except this Usher has excessive plastic surgery, has a egoic white-washed fake romantic mantra, pretends to be cool by imitating a dance/culture created and mastered by an ethnicity he looks down upon (whom also happen to be higher on the overall global sexual ladder then him) with the Billy Joel part composing 10 year old love lyrics.

Yeah there are plenty of ugly Chinese, and there are plenty of ugly Britons, Yorubans, Arabs, Nepalis, etc. Is the proportion of ugly Chinese in the entire Chinese population any higher than that in any other race? I doubt that. If you're basing the "surveys" about looks on Roosh's post, he doesn't actually provide any hard data. In my own subjective opinion, pure-blood Australoids, Negritos and Pygmies are the least evolved and most unattractive races.

I have no idea why Bollywood is more successful in all those places than East Asian cinema beyond what Wikipedia listed. It actually isn't, here in Singapore, besides for the Indian population. Chinese cinema was only exported overseas very recently though but Hong Kong and Japanese films have long been appreciated in the West. Hong Kong kung fu movies even influenced break dancing.

Quote:I don't have a racial inferiority thing and I am not Indian, but my experiences with the Chinese have been terrible; several times I got cheated and lied to blatantly in deals. I lost a computer and bunch of speakers a while back due to carelessness and apathy from Chinese moving companies. I've been tricked into buying things from Chinese stores with boxes containing nothing. I have had cases where I was handed counterfeit cash without my knowledge. I had experiences where I would walk in the streets of Beijing, and there would be an entire line of people staring at me, (having Brown skin/Mediterranean features). I also have stories of dealing with pretentious ABC's who thought they were the center of the universe due to a rise of a country they didn't even help or live in but that's another story for another day. There is this annoying and irritating nationalistic hubris, arrogance, smugness and self-satisfaction that a lot of Chinese people emit, including the overseas ones, which is completely baseless and rooted in ignorance. No matter how much Chinese people like to think they are better then, India or any country in Asia, Africa, the Middle East, you guys really haven't done much for any country outside except establish yourself as self-serving middle men or upper classmen, (case with Africa and other countries).

Yeah, there are a lot of unscrupulous and rude Chinese. But who are you talking to when you say "You guys?". I have no connection with the PRC, my ancestors came out of China to Singapore during the RoC and Qing Dynasty and helped build this place. Chinese businessmen here since the British established a colony have often "given back" to society through charity; Chinese philanthropists built hospitals, schools and temples for their communities, many of which still exist today.

I'm not going to defend the PRC's human rights violations, copying "culture" (that made me lol) etc, I had nothing to do with that and I'm not a citizen nor do I believe these actions were right. You just make it difficult to agree with you when you keep saying "Han Chinese" instead of PRC. In fact, speaking of "Han Chinese" as a race is like speaking of all Europeans being "White". Southern Chinese can be more different from Northern Chinese than Southern Europeans from Northern Europeans -- the mitochondrial DNA of Southern Chinese indicates many of them are descended from South-East Asian women and Northern Chinese men and besides that, there is East-West as well. Chinese are not inherently selfish, greedy scum and I doubt that all the citizens of the PRC are too, although perhaps those who had the wiles to get out of it are, to varying degrees. China came out with great things in the past and they were the leading power in the world at several points in history (Tang and Ming Dynasty) -- they might well be some point in the future again.

I don't know about other up-and-coming nations rather allying with the US than China actually. Russia for one would share more defensive concerns with China and China is Brazil's largest trading partner. Russia is pretty similar to China in terms of having smaller countries around that hate their guts though, plus large tracks of barren terrain to defend and terrorist elements within their soil.