The RSD hate is pretty constituted. Don't even bother trying to get into that stuff. It's absolute garbage.

On to the main body of the post:
I agree a lot with what Warped post--stuff like eye contact, getting rid of crutch words, and implementing a physical aspect of an interaction are obvious, but often overlooked. I also agree with Jon though that a serious amount of social calibration is needed with this stuff. Gaming a girl is not like wearing a one size fits all hat. Giving things cool acronyms and doing them on every girl you meet won't make you better. Being able to recognize what stage/situation you're in with a girl you're talking to and then utilizing the things Warped mentioned--THAT will get you far in your interactions.

The thing is these things are more like spikes. Building an entire interaction with elements of this post is just plain retarded. It will appear flashy and get a lot of attention, but it will not get the girl. I know because I've done it. And I would wonder why it was working for some other guy but not me. Again, ALL pua material needs to be used at the right time aka calibrated.

BTW, WarpedMindless, if you believe that you NEED to do these things to get a girl, that is a limiting belief.

Ultimately, we need to realize that sex is not that big of a deal. It is primarily borne out of comfort+minimalist attraction created by being non-needy+leading the interaction.

(08-25-2011 01:12 PM)Jon Wrote:  No dude, not a limiting belief. Just an observation that posting on a forum and advising everybody, including newbies, to do this without mentioning social calibration whatsoever is a great way to get people thrown out of night clubs. This is the kind of advice that RSD fanboys give eachother, not even instructors. Even TD advises people - these sorts of approaches are NOT for new guys.

We will just have to agree to disagree

Also, I've seen many a newbie do this and work incredibly well for them.

(08-25-2011 02:34 PM)OwenWilsonsNose Wrote:  The RSD hate is pretty constituted. Don't even bother trying to get into that stuff. It's absolute garbage.

On to the main body of the post:
I agree a lot with what Warped post--stuff like eye contact, getting rid of crutch words, and implementing a physical aspect of an interaction are obvious, but often overlooked. I also agree with Jon though that a serious amount of social calibration is needed with this stuff. Gaming a girl is not like wearing a one size fits all hat. Giving things cool acronyms and doing them on every girl you meet won't make you better. Being able to recognize what stage/situation you're in with a girl you're talking to and then utilizing the things Warped mentioned--THAT will get you far in your interactions.

Your entitled to your opinion and I also agree with the second part of your post.

Just out of curiosity, why do you feel RSD is garbage? What do you feel they teach is so bad?

The main things they teach are:

FREEDOM FROM OUTCOME

STRONG EYE CONTACT

PHYSICAL GAME

HAVING FUN AND SELF AMUSING

BEING AUTHENTIC

Notice any similarities between that and what Mark teaches?

I think RSD is garbage because I watched the Blueprint Decoded. Thank the lord I downloaded it online and did not pay for it. Sure, there are some bits of good nuggets here and there. But imagine those nuggets in a gigantic, enormous, over-bearing mound of turd and you have to dig through that enormous turd--without gloves or a mask one to get to those good nuggets. Great analogy, I know.

Also, yes I do notice similarities between what you listed and what Mark teaches. The exception is that Mark presents and explains those concepts in real-world terms and simplifies it so that it's easier understood. RSD--specifically Tyler explains those concepts like he invented eye contact and every one of those other things.

And as far as there whole "ignite your nimbus?" Give me a break. Bunch of jabronis.

I'd just like to clear the air here for a second, and then ask if we could leave the ideological argument to rest and focus on Warped's content, not RSD's or whoevers. As some of you know, nothing bugs me more than "X guru is better than Y guru" arguments.

There's definitely overlap with myself and RSD, but I would say that it's because we both have similar influences (Tony Robbins, David Deida, et al.). My issue with that company is less their content and more their business practices. I find the way they conduct some of their business to be unethical, and I can tell you that's a perception shared across the entire industry.

Warped is right that I share a lot of views with them. But just to be fair, here are the major areas where RSD and I disagree:

- The importance of state.
- The idea that status is determined purely by popularity and fun.
- That age and looks don't matter.
- That there's a relationship between spiritual development and getting laid.
- Their perception of what "high quality" women are.
- The "create your own reality" mentality.

My opinion of RSD is that their material works wonders for a very specific demographic. That's usually younger guys who already kind of had their shit together but lacked confidence and want to get laid a lot in bars and clubs. Outside of that, I don't think their material is well-suited or even useful for many men. Knowing what I know now, it's apparent that their material was developed on LA club girls. Much of it is skewed toward that kind of audience and that type of woman. There are a handful of guys on this board who have taken RSD bootcamps and don't have the best things to say about them.

But I'd like it if we could keep this thread, and this board in general, ideology free. If you don't agree with Warped's post, then address it for what it is, not for being RSD-ish. And if Warped doesn't agree with his critics, he should address their criticisms instead of referring to them as "haters." That's all I ask.

RSD helps many people. And if they helped you, that's great. RSD also doesn't help a lot of people. If they didn't help you, that's fine too. Everyone's different. Everyone has different strengths and weaknesses, priorities and personalities. Just accept that and address each other individually, not as part of this school or that school.

Well yeah warped Im a newbie but I prefer to listen to the large masses (who also happends to be the most credible sources). Everywhere I turn people say alot of bad things about RSD, their cultish behavior, their brainwashing of students, their lack of results, their commonness of getting kicked out of clubs, tons of people saying their friends become crazy idiots trying to act like overcompensating fratboys after getting into rsd.

Anyway, I decided to look up your nick name and it seems to me like you're just another dude who have gotten just too deep into rsd, atleast due to what people are saying about you on other boards. This is nothing personally, but just a common theme I see with people getting into rsd and getting very dogmatic.

And again, looking at your posts, I could see how some things could work fine, but I could also see its nothing "solid" at all, if it works it works great, if it doesnt work its fucking horrible, so its nothing I would take with that much of seriousness right now, maybe in some years when Ive become better and I just wanna experiment with different shit no matter what happends, but now - no thx.

I'd like to say that I love this post. I'm a firm believer in using sexual tension to seduce women. I guess you need social skills at some point though