Honestly, the whole "X coach is this good in field, and Y coach is that good in field" is pointless and a distraction. The conversation you should be having is, "X coach helped me get this much better, and Y coach didn't help me at all."

Phil Jackson wasn't the best player ever but he was the best coach. Isiah Thomas was one of the best players ever but a terrible coach.

Most guys coaching in this industry get laid with some sort of regularity. Even the lame local lair coaches manage to get laid a decent amount. It's not rocket science. Sex happens. If anybody goes out long enough it'll eventually start happening. Sure, some of us have been with more girls, or hotter girls, or whatever. But it's the coaches who can distill it, simplify it, explain it and bring others to that point quickly that are rare. Very rare.

(08-22-2011 07:50 PM)Palf Wrote:  

(08-22-2011 02:47 PM)Warped Mindless Wrote:  LOL, the RSD hate is funny. I'm with Rob Judge on my opinion of Blueprint Decoded. I would like to think I'm about as un-bias as a person in this community can possibly be because the companies/guys I have learned the most from and the ones I recommend to others are:

RSD
Rob Judge
60yearsofchallenge
Mark Mason

When you strip all the silly terms from each one away, when you look at everything each one teaches, most of the principals are the same.

Also, to clear some stuff up. I've seen almost all the instructors from RSD infield, as well as Rob Judge. I have yet to see Mark or 60 infield and I doubt I will anytime soon as I don't plan on being back in NY for the near future.

This is my completely honest opinion on the matter of "infield skills"...

All the RSD instructors are legit. Some of their interns are a bit sketchy but all the instructors are legit. They pull off some pretty impressive stuff.

Rob Judge is also very legit and in truth, his style is EXTREMELY similar to that of some of the RSD instructors.

Thats cause rob took a bc with rsd 2009 If I remember right.

However, from reading different forums, the usual conclusion is that rsd instructors are OK but they cant compete with the big guys (Sinn, Captain Jack, Mystery in his old days etc).

Many have also said that they are acting obnoxious in clubs which often results in them getting kicked out.

Thats nothing I want to model.

LOL, that just ignorance

I've seen Mystery infield more than once... talk about overrated. Never seen CJ but I know a few people who have seen sinn a few times. Most say he has some decent skill.

And RSD supports having fun in clubs.

(08-22-2011 09:00 PM)Mark Wrote:  Honestly, the whole "X coach is this good in field, and Y coach is that good in field" is pointless and a distraction. The conversation you should be having is, "X coach helped me get this much better, and Y coach didn't help me at all."

Phil Jackson wasn't the best player ever but he was the best coach. Isiah Thomas was one of the best players ever but a terrible coach.

Most guys coaching in this industry get laid with some sort of regularity. Even the lame local lair coaches manage to get laid a decent amount. It's not rocket science. Sex happens. If anybody goes out long enough it'll eventually start happening. Sure, some of us have been with more girls, or hotter girls, or whatever. But it's the coaches who can distill it, simplify it, explain it and bring others to that point quickly that are rare. Very rare.

You make an extremely good point here Mark. I've met some guys who are AMAZING seducers but cant teach it for shit.

(08-22-2011 11:52 PM)Warped Mindless Wrote:  

(08-22-2011 09:00 PM)Mark Wrote:  Honestly, the whole "X coach is this good in field, and Y coach is that good in field" is pointless and a distraction. The conversation you should be having is, "X coach helped me get this much better, and Y coach didn't help me at all."

Phil Jackson wasn't the best player ever but he was the best coach. Isiah Thomas was one of the best players ever but a terrible coach.

Most guys coaching in this industry get laid with some sort of regularity. Even the lame local lair coaches manage to get laid a decent amount. It's not rocket science. Sex happens. If anybody goes out long enough it'll eventually start happening. Sure, some of us have been with more girls, or hotter girls, or whatever. But it's the coaches who can distill it, simplify it, explain it and bring others to that point quickly that are rare. Very rare.

You make an extremely good point here Mark. I've met some guys who are AMAZING seducers but cant teach it for shit.

^Yea a close friend of mine has around 100 lays, asked him for advice and he said stop trying so hard. Needless to say it didn't help much at the time. A lot of "naturals" have a hard time explaining what they do, they just know what works for them.

The other aspect of this is that you never know what context you're seeing a coach in. Coaches have off nights. Sometimes coaches have to demo on girls they're not attracted to, so they put in little effort. Sometimes coaches get drunk and screw around for fun. Sometimes coaches make bonehead mistakes like anybody else. Sometimes the girl is just a bitch. So you may see Mystery or Sinn in one set on one night, but you don't really know what you're really seeing. That could be his worst set of the year or his best. You have no idea.

Unfortunately, getting sucked into this (lame, old) discussion is just another form of dick-waving. I find it pointless and it reinforces negative mindsets in guys.

Do whatever makes you happy with women. If one coach's advice helps make you happy with women, then listen to him. If another coach's advice doesn't help make you happy with women, then don't listen to him.

RSD's advice didn't help make me happy with women. So I didn't listen to them. I also find a number of their business practices unethical. So I don't recommend them to people.

End of discussion. Locking thread.