In all my years of joining the community, i've never seen a fat ugly guy banged a 9. Have i seen a fat guy bang another fat girl? Sure...and even then, he has to try pretty hard.

Most guys in the community always have the debate look vs game. It's not LOOK VS GAME, it's looks + game = success!

Here's the formula imo.

If you're below average looking, it's game + lower your standard = success.

if you're good looking, it's looks + game = success with hot chicks!

If you're good looking, looks + game + lower your standard = racking up massive amount of lays. We're talking about my black room mate 400+ numbers of lays in a few years.

So bottom line, there's zero excuse not to increase your looks.

Looks are the gateway. They get your foot in the door. Game gets the job done.

I have seen it in 2 of my friends.I was fat before 5 years,since then I never went above 2 kilos than the minimum weight I can take.But among these years, I sawtwo of my friends who were fat,normally fat ,with very cute girls ,while one of them,and I m not exaggerating at all,had the most beautiful girl,of all of my friends,ever had.

In my short life, i can remember fat guys with cute girls only a hand full of times. Also, the two specific instances that I remember, happened recently, both the girls who were with the fat guys were my friends. Also, both had a lot of emotional issues and baggage. One of the girls even said she would never date me because she wants a man that's with her 24/7 and a good looking guy might play her! The biggest fat guy pimp i know is a good friend of mine and he's still kind of solid even though he's big. He was an in shape jock in high school but lost the body. Although he still dresses spectacular, has a good looking face and is alpha as hell. But all these guys would still have a lot more options if they lost some weight.

@ Brian: Not so convinced your black friend banged 400+ girls in JUST a couple of years. If so I got to meet this guy.

You see it every once in a while. I've got a post coming up on "out of your league" dating and how there's not really such a thing as "out of your league" but merely trade-offs.

And yeah, 400+ lays in 2-3 years = a new girl every few days. Guy would have to be out like every night and dumpster diving pretty hard. I've met a couple guys who racked up 50-100 a year (1-2 a week), but they were going out almost every night and would basically sleep with anything with a pulse. No thanks on both counts. Quantity does not equal quality... or even skill for that matter.

Mark, an honest question. All of us banged a fat girl once in a while when we're desperate enough, let's not kidding ourselves here. But out of the hundred girls you banged, how many that's hot and how many that's a fug? While beauty is somewhat subjective, on average, most guys would think girls with low bmi = above average while girls with high bmi = ugly. Basically, how many girls you bang have low bmi? lol

Almost all of the girls I've had sex with had little fat. Are you American? This is pretty easy to achieve in Europe.

I would say I'm a bit more stringent than most when it comes to quality. Always have been as well. Not to say that I haven't my fair share of ugly chicks (every guy does). But I've noticed over the years that it's harder to get me excited than most of my guy friends (or other coaches I've hung out with for that matter). Anyway, to answer your question, I'd break it down with the following estimates:

- 5-6 that were just gross and I honestly wish I could take back.
- 10-15 that weren't very cute, but weren't atrocious. You know, the "I was really drunk and horny and she was easy," types of girls.
- 40-50 girls that were attractive but nothing amazing. You see a few of these in just about any decent bar on the weekend.
- 15-20 girls that I think most normal guys would consider "hot." Sorority girl types, cocktail waitresses, hot club girls, athletic girls, etc.
- 6-8 very "high caliber" girls, i.e., models, dancers, etc.

So all-in-all, that comes out to about: 25% very attractive (what most guys would be impressed with), 55% moderately attractive (what most guys would be happy with), 20% average-looking or unattractive (what most guys would be unimpressed with).

I never had a period where I dumpster-dived or padded my stats. Like I said, I know some guys who will take home anything. I also know some guys who have gotten into ruts or gotten depressed and fucked a lot of ugly chicks for pure validation. I've never been able to do that, even times when I've tried.

Other guys I know who are good hit all over the spectrum, but they'll spend most of their time on the average or below-average. Like I said, I think my quality control is a bit higher than most... so there are many nights where a totally normal and attractive girl will show interest in me, but I have a hard time getting excited over it. But of course, like anyone else, I have random off-nights where I get lazy or desperate.

I'd say these days I actually pass up as many lays as I get. If I'm not excited about pursuing her, then I don't bother. And if she's pursuing me and I can't imagine myself getting turned on by her, then I'll turn her down. Both situations are situations I don't think I ever would have been able to imagine having a few years ago.