(07-14-2011 10:37 PM)Mark Wrote:  Rohypnol works pretty well in practice too, is that all that counts?

I think feminists have legitimate concerns over pick up tactics. There's a lot of borderline unethical stuff that's taught. Do I think feminists give PUA a fair shake and look at it from a broader perspective of men improving themselves? Absolutely not. But they're totally right to look into the ethics of some of the techniques and criticize them.

I can totally understand why feminists don't like the PUA community. I don't like a lot of it either, especially since you and Rob Judge talked some sense into me with your blogs.

But I completely disagree with almost everything on that blog and the comments too. They aren't rationally looking at those quotes by Mystery to decide if they make sense or not, they just bash Mystery mercilessly and assume everything that comes out of his mouth is bullshit. I mean, kino is really normal and socially competent people use it naturally. To criticize that and to even link it to rape or whatever they do is just irrational and dishonest. Same with a lot of the other criticism.