Yeah, when this happens, I pull my friend aside and tell him what happened and how I feel about it. I don't necessarily spend two hours on it, but I make it clear that I felt like he stole my girl. Any true friend will be sorry and usually they don't realize what they're doing or didn't intend to step on your feet.

But at the same time, I'd like to make an argument from the other point of view. Because I've had a number of guys accuse me of "stealing" their girls, and I'm seeing signs of this in a few of your posts.

You guys say, "he capitalized on MY work." What work? You opened her? You met her first? You never made a move. He did. It sounds to me like he put in the leg-work, not you. Not saying that's the case here, but it's something to think about it. If you're too timid to make a move on her and he's not, then is that his fault? Just saying.

Back in college, I met a number of girls through friends or friends of friends. These guys never made any move or showed any sign that they were interested in these girls, so I'd meet them, hook up with them and then my friends would get pissed off. My argument was, "if you like her, you need to hit on her, or tell me she's off limits somehow, otherwise she's fair game."

My friend that I'm traveling with right now. We have a really simple system. If we ever feel like the other one is intruding on our set, we either step on the other's foot or kick them in the shin. Then the other knows to back the fuck off. It's worked out great. We haven't had a problem like this in over a year.

Personally I don't tend to bother with wingmen per se, its not an essiental part of my game. I usually go out with friends but when I see a woman I find attractive, I want to make a move alone. Of course sometimes I'm with a few friends chatting to girls and thats fine. But for me, I want to isolate and take other people out of the equation before I even start.

I'm very picky about wingmen. Unless the guy I'm with is a pretty good friend who I know well, has decent game and is similar in looks, I'd rather fly solo.

(06-21-2011 02:35 AM)Mark Wrote:  I'm very picky about wingmen. Unless the guy I'm with is a pretty good friend who I know well, has decent game and is similar in looks, I'd rather fly solo.

LOL. I remember one time, i was with two wing. A tall skinny pretty good looking dude, and a fat dude. I got this one chick into me. I sent in the fat one first, and he got blown out. I'm like shit, time for me to send in my good looking wing. My good looking wing makesout within 5 minute and occupy the friend while i was making out with mine.

I notice that on average, i get way more success rolling with good looking wing as oppose to ugly dudes.

It's more about the discrepancy than anything. If one of you is far better looking, better dressed, better styled than the other, and you talk to two hot girls, the contrast between you two will cause problems. This is actually often a problem in coaching. But if you can find two chicks with one hot one and one mediocre one, then it can work out.

But yeah, hanging around a guy who's good-looking will usually be better than hanging around a guy who's not.

I've been riding solo for years. I guess wingmen are good to help push you through your AA, but aside from that, are they really that essential? And I especially hate it when girls come between me & my buddies.

As it happens, my roommate has really good game, so often as not we're out together. When you have a GOOD wingman, it can be a huge advantage, I find - primarily because we can catch eachother's bad habits and beat them out of eachother - for instance, his hand gestures get too pointy when he's drunk, I talk too fast, but we can catch eachother on this and correct it.

Also, if two girls are together, it's obviously much easier to get somewhere with them if there are two guys together, as well. I think the key is that we have pretty clearly understood boundaries for who is going after what girl. I'd certainly feel free to kick him in the shin if he's going after a girl I have been interested in, but it rarely if ever comes to that. At this point we know eachother well enough that we can tell who the other person is going after.

(06-22-2011 06:07 AM)Jon Wrote:  As it happens, my roommate has really good game, so often as not we're out together. When you have a GOOD wingman, it can be a huge advantage, I find - primarily because we can catch eachother's bad habits and beat them out of eachother - for instance, his hand gestures get too pointy when he's drunk, I talk too fast, but we can catch eachother on this and correct it.

Touche. I tend to start yelling when I'm drunk lol for some reason the volume just keeps increasing?? And my buddy is always there to remind me of that. So in that instance I can see where it would be handy.