After reading the different threads and exchanges on pickup tips, approach methods and what have you, I have come to be curious what the main goal is out of all of it, what do you consider to be success? It seems to me like the main goal for most of you is to just get laid. So I am just curious what you are hoping the main payoff for your efforts are. Just sex, a date, a few dates, a friend with benefits, a long term relationship?

For me success is having a better understanding of women and myself in the dating world. Knowing what women want, what are they looking for, what please them. At the same time I want to get rid of all the emotional baggage that doesn't allow me to enjoy the dating world. I'm right now just dating, getting to know women and myself better but I think that eventually I want a GF. Someone with who I feel good and can enjoy having sex with her.

(06-04-2011 12:51 AM)youregettingitwrong Wrote:  After reading the different threads and exchanges on pickup tips, approach methods and what have you, I have come to be curious what the main goal is out of all of it, what do you consider to be success? It seems to me like the main goal for most of you is to just get laid. So I am just curious what you are hoping the main payoff for your efforts are. Just sex, a date, a few dates, a friend with benefits, a long term relationship?

I look at success as being in (more) control over the outcome of a situation. I understand in most cases I can't control what will happen 100% of the time (and I wouldn't want to be) but I now understand that my actions can greatly increase or decrease the chances that things will go my way. Whether this is approaching, dating, or basically any interaction with a female. In the past I was basically wandering around like a lost child trying to "get lucky". I had no idea what I was doing and what I was saying could affect a situation so much. Once you become perceptive and consciously aware of the things you do that turn certain women off you can change these things which leads to what i believe is success.

More options for sex, and relationships.

Early on I just wanted to get laid. Then I got laid a bunch and I wanted to sort out my emotional issues. Then I sorted out a lot of my emotional issues and now I just want to be able to enjoy my life with whichever woman/women I prefer. Sometimes that means a drunk one night stand. Sometimes that means a girlfriend. Sometimes that means a romantic getaway for a week.

At this point in time, I just want to get laid. After a few lays, I know it will change.

Yourgettingitwrong: BTW, I hope your point of getting on this forum is not to dissuade people from getting laid. If it is, well.... Good luck.

shadow- i have zero intentions of trying to dissuade anyone from getting laid. I was curious, that was all.

my longterm goals are above all to improve my whole lifestyle (having an inspirational social circle, living healthy, improving my looks), improve my inner game (specially to lose my Nice Guy Syndrom) and to have a happy longterm relationsship, and then to leave the game.

my shortterm goal is above all getting laid a lot. Besides obviously enjoying sex, I think this is really important to develop social and specially sexual confidence. For sure getting laid alone is not enough for that, but it is neccessary.


I am also curious, what you think about our (mostly Mark´s ) core ideas from the forum and the blog? Where do you agree , and where do you diusagree completly?

Success is showing up. Knowing that when you see that girl, the talent is there to lead it wherever you want. Whether that's a one night deal, a long term relationships...whatever...it's 100% within your capabilities to get it done.

I don't see pickup as a skill; rather I see it as a reflex...See Girls>Get Girl.


"confidence", "be more authentic", "better person". I hear these thrown around as what a guy wants, how he defines success. Thing is, NONE of these is measurable.

What's measurable?

Sex.

And I know this might piss off some people, but a sexually confident guy...is going to be a confident guy. That's just how it is...

It's great a lot of pickup companies focus on "feeling better about yourself", "self-help" and all this other stuff...but lets be real-

Guys pay money to dating instructors wanting to get laid more (or meet the girlfriend that will provide a constant stream of available sex).

That's definable success.

If a guy wanted success that had nothing to do with picking up girls, he should go to a Tony Robbins convention.


Just my thoughts...
JT