(05-28-2011 07:52 AM)Jon Wrote: I think Mark's point was, and it makes sense, that it takes roughly thirty before you end up having succeeded in a wide enough variety of situations.
Yes... typically guys with 30 or less lays get most of them from a similar situation with a similar type of girl... or they're not actually aware of why they're getting laid -- they think it's their ingenious theories and techniques, but really it's that they're well-connected in a college town or something. Adam Lyons is actually a great example of this... He probably legitimately thought he had revolutionary PUA ideas, when really the nightclub promoter culture in London is pretty unique. And his success can't be replicated in the majority of cities and for the majority of guys.
That doesn't mean that he doesn't have good things to say or that he hasn't learned a lot since then by teaching. But guys with less than 30 lays have a tendency to over-estimate how much they know and how much they've experienced. They don't see much of a "big picture" yet. It's one thing to have a guy get 20 lays in his hometown over the course of two years. But then you fly him across the country, tell him to work with guys who are 50 years old, have completely different personalities and goals, and suddenly he's not such an expert anymore.
I started coaching at around 30-35 lays and honestly I look at some of the stuff I wrote and said back then and shake my head. I meant well, but I vastly over-estimated how much I knew and how much I controlled what was going on. Guys at 10-20 lays are even worse about over-estimating themselves.
I know the whole lay count thing is lame... but it's the best benchmark for pick up experience we have. My perception of women and how to pick them up was dramatically different at lay 10 as it was at lay 30, and lay 30 was dramatically different than it was at lay 50, which was different than it is now. Every girl I'm with is unique and presents me with an infinite range of new experiences and possibilities. Each time my assumptions are challenged and each time my perspective changes a bit. I learn something.
With that said, when it comes to the basics, it really doesn't take a whole lot of experience to be able to teach someone to approach and crack a few jokes. Pretty much anyone with 6-12 months of field experience can do that. And honestly, most companies in this industry are that: glorified approach coaches.