@ reprobate - how well does persistence work for you? Taking the lead and physically escalating make no sense unless you assume the girl is already into you. If a girl is neutral towards you, physically escalating is just creepy.

@repro

Dude if you're being persistant with a girl who is neutral towards you or doesn't like you, you're going to annoy the shit out of her, creep her out and piss her off. That is not going to be good for your reputation.

(07-03-2011 08:41 AM)DaveyDrama Wrote:  @repro

Dude if you're being persistant with a girl who is neutral towards you or doesn't like you, you're going to annoy the shit out of her, creep her out and piss her off. That is not going to be good for your reputation.

yup

(07-03-2011 08:38 AM)Jon Wrote:  @ reprobate - how well does persistence work for you? Taking the lead and physically escalating make no sense unless you assume the girl is already into you. If a girl is neutral towards you, physically escalating is just creepy.

I'm talking in general term's, not specifically about physically escalating. Just the whole process of trying to get a girl invested in you. For example, asking her out for a drink a couple of times before she finally agrees. Everyone operates differently, and the way I operate, more often than not, she is going to know that I am more into her than the other way around.

(07-03-2011 08:41 AM)DaveyDrama Wrote:  @repro

Dude if you're being persistant with a girl who is neutral towards you or doesn't like you, you're going to annoy the shit out of her, creep her out and piss her off. That is not going to be good for your reputation.

Obviously, one has to use common sense, and I'm not going to be persistent if I have absolutely no hope. Different people have different goals, my goals are low volume, high quality. So in order to get high quality girls, you have to be persistent. But I know where the line between persistent and being a pest is, and I don't cross it.
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It's actually funny that we should be on this topic because the very thing we're talking about happened to me last night. I went to a club with a bunch of people in London. My wingman & I made our way around the club several times, dancing and talking to different girls. But periodically, we would always come back to these same 2 girls, talk to them for a few minutes, dance and then leave again for a while. I thought I was building some good rapport with the one girl because she asked me to step in and save her from a couple of 'creepy guys' and I did. Later on, after we'd left the bar and I mentioned to my buddy that I thought I built some rapport with the one girl, he said, 'Really? I don't think so. She told me that she thought you were a creep'.

I was like ?? Totally blew me away. Wasn't expecting that at all. Even after analyzing it for the past 6 hours, I still don't think I would've done much differently. Maybe I was being too 'persistent' by going back to them 4 or 5 times over the course of the night, but I definitely wasn't doing much kino or physically escalating. I was shocked to find out she'd said that. But the funny thing is, right away I thought about this convo. we've been having with repro. Thought I'd share my experience!

Dave,

Mark just wrote this up in his nightgame post man, thought it might be relevant to what you just wrote:

Mark Wrote:I almost never leave a girl and come back. Unless there's a legitimate reason, that's the kiss of death in night game. If you ever tell her, "I'll be right back," and aren't back within 5 minutes, 99% chance she's either meets another guy or goes completely cold by the time you get back. This is why I tell guys that if you want to get laid at night, you HAVE to ditch the whole, "I need to approach more" mentality. The two are often mutually exclusive.

Makes sense, hope that helps bud.

Yeah I literally just read that. Losing the set is one thing. I don't really care one way or the other about that. It's getting called a creep and having no idea why that bothers me. I could lose 10 sets and it wouldn't bother me as much as 1 girl calling me a creep.

You gotta get over creepiness man. It's so subjective, and changes moment-to-moment. I don't care how cool you are, how many girls love you, some girl, some where, at some point, is going to think you're creepy. It comes with the territory.

It's funny, I'm going to assume you're talking about London, Canada? My friend and I are in Berlin and we just banged two chicks from there the other night. And re: the creepiness thing. My friend was really into his girl but unfortunately, my girl sucked. Looks-wise she was doable, but personality-wise, she just sucked. Really negative and uninteresting. So I was basically winging my friend who hadn't gotten laid on this trip yet.

Anyway, about an hour into the set, my girl had been talking with her friend and she whispers to me, "Your friend is really creepy, she doesn't like him." I was like, "WTF?" I didn't see it (and it's my job to see these things). So I tell him and his reaction is, "WTF? She's totally into me." I shrug. Night goes on. Girl ends up banging him anyway.

Come to find out, my girl was just kind of a bitch and was being catty. Or maybe my friend did one thing that was creepy, but overall she was still attracted. Either way, you can't let it get you down or stop you. We're all going to be creepy at some point. Might as well laugh about it.

London, Canada - Correct. And hahaha dude you could be scrubbing shit off the walls of a septic tank in Arkansas and bang a girl from London. That city is like Soddom and Gammorah rolled into one.

But yes, you're right of course about the creepiness thing - I just take everything personally. Gaah.