Entropy or anyone else,

What was the most amount of blowouts you had to deal with on a given night or week before you got a girl to go home with you.

This could be on a vacation or even at your home city. Entropy you mentioned before in Argentina you had to go through 20 blow outs to even get somewhere.

And how did you stay motivated to keep going? It would seem like success is never gonna happen especially after the 10th blow out.

There are a lot of things that kind of keep it fun or kept me motivated, despite how fucking humbling and painful it could be at times...

- The challenge of it
- Figuring out what I was doing wrong, or "cracking the code" of how to pick up Argentinian girls
- The desire to redeem myself after a difficult night out
- The fact that I felt like I had little choice at the time.
- The friends I was with were going through the same thing, so we kind of bonded over it.

Yeah, rejection sucks... and yeah, I'd be lying if I said that I didn't go home multiple nights really fucking pissed off and I'd be lying if I said I didn't make up excuses every now and then to deal with the rejection... but in the end, I look back and laugh and think it was kind of fun, and the few girls I did hook up with were worth a lot of the effort and in the long-run I think it made me more emotionally resilient and better at pick up.

I wouldn't take it back.

(05-09-2011 07:38 AM)Mark Wrote:  but in the end, I look back and laugh and think it was kind of fun, and the few girls I did hook up with were worth a lot of the effort and in the long-run I think it made me more emotionally resilient and better at pick up.

I wouldn't take it back.

I agree a 100%.
The last time I was hard-core rejected for a girl that I liked A LOT and that I pursued for a long time I just felt bad for a couple of days, on the third day I was ready to go out for sarging again .
Desensitization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desensitiza...sychology) is a huge concept in PU, IMHO. The only way to overcome your anxieties is facing them over and over again until you almost don't feel anxiety anymore.

(05-09-2011 10:33 AM)Leo Wrote:  

(05-09-2011 07:38 AM)Mark Wrote:  but in the end, I look back and laugh and think it was kind of fun, and the few girls I did hook up with were worth a lot of the effort and in the long-run I think it made me more emotionally resilient and better at pick up.

I wouldn't take it back.

I agree a 100%.
The last time I was hard-core rejected for a girl that I liked A LOT and that I pursued for a long time I just felt bad for a couple of days, on the third day I was ready to go out for sarging again .
Desensitization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desensitiza...sychology) is a huge concept in PU, IMHO. The only way to overcome your anxieties is facing them over and over again until you almost don't feel anxiety anymore.

So true. Recently there have been too many times where I have seen a top girl and been like damn..I want to go over and talk to her..but I didn't. Its all about momentum as well. Do a few weeks of sarging big time and you kind of start doing it automatically. The true players I know, they seem to be on auto-pilot. There isnt much intellecutalizing how they do it. Its just constantly gaming girls, high motivation(libido), and momentum.

Its weird how its all infectous as well. You fuck a few girls in a row and suddenly you give of a different vibe and girls seem to be able to tell your a bit of a player and you seem to magnitise girls and become more attractive to them. Obviously a lot of us are in periods right now where we're not getting much at all, so there is a period where you have to give it some effort to start getting back onto player auto-pilot.

But at the same time, I dont know. Do I really want to be a 'player'? I dont know. What does the term even mean in quantifiable terms? Personally - I want to be able to talk to any girl I want to talk to, to get sex fairly regularly etc, to meet hotter girls etc. Not necessarily constant sex, but some kind of consistency.

Although at the same time, I think its weird, as if you set your want to have a level of consistency, you need to aim to be a player to at least get a level of consistency. You need to be hustling/gaming constantly to have effects. It really is a numbers game - so I think the only way to do it is just to aim big and hope for some level of results. The big players I know, they get a lot of blow outs, but obviously they approach so many girls that its just inevitable. And furthermore, they never miss an oppurtunity. Every girl they meet as long as shes average is a potential fuck to them.

To be honest, I want to be able to seduce women easily, I want them to fall at my feet and beg to have sex with me. I really do. But hell, we cant all be rockstars and celebs.

Define blowout.
I'm up to 300 or so approaches now. The learning curve-to- results process is steep.
I'm starting to get somewhat consistent makeouts in nightgame, so progress I guess.

Good point re: gotta define blow out. I rarely get blown out hard. Most of the time girls will politely excuse themselves.

However, I have had nights where I did at least a dozen approaches that went nowhere, before finding a girl that i ended up hooking up with (it was a number that night, but led straight to the date and yadda yadda).

For me it depends on the women. In clubs, it could be months, actually I have not successfully picked up an attractive chick in a club in a couple of years. With me its that they typically politely excuse themselves but I do get runs where they just turn away, tell me to "f off", give me the finger (they are both extreme but it does happen), just do not reply back, tell me that I am not their type and all that.

For online, again, if the chick is more than a 7, its been about 3 years. If a 6 or a 7, then it could be three dates or so.

For daygame and just "normal" life I have had runs (in one now) where I did not get a number until the 15th attempt. Infact last month, I tried day game again and was 5 for 50 with numbers (I kept a diary) and only one panned out into a date and it was not the best and there was no sex.

Its tough out there.

"Desensitization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desensitiza...sychology) is a huge concept in PU, IMHO. The only way to overcome your anxieties is facing them over and over again until you almost don't feel anxiety anymore. "

Not so sure I agree here, no matter how many times I get blown out my stomach still cringes when it's a nasty one. If the girl is nice about it, it's not such a big deal but I don't think there's a way to reprogram my basic human survival mechanisms (aka fear of rejection). A better idea to dealing with ugly rejections is to learn how to recover from it quickly so you can move on, and of course learning from your mistakes.

With that said, when I first started out in pick-up I was at a low point in life, had just recovered from pnemonia and probably looked like a walking corpse. Went out all night with a friend and got blown out every approach. For a few months after that I got blown out about 75% of the time probably, there were too many blow outs to even count. As my health and lifestyle improved that number went down a lot. This year I have been blown out badly twice, which isn't so bad in my opinion...

"Desensitization http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desensitiza...sychology) is a huge concept in PU, IMHO. The only way to overcome your anxieties is facing them over and over again until you almost don't feel anxiety anymore. "

Not so sure I agree here, no matter how many times I get blown out my stomach still cringes when it's a nasty one. If the girl is nice about it, it's not such a big deal but I don't think there's a way to reprogram my basic human survival mechanisms (aka fear of rejection). A better idea to dealing with ugly rejections is to learn how to recover from it quickly so you can move on, and of course learning from your mistakes.

With that said, when I first started out in pick-up I was at a low point in life, had just recovered from pnemonia and probably looked like a walking corpse. Went out all night with a friend and got blown out every approach. For a few months after that I got blown out about 75% of the time probably, there were too many blow outs to even count. As my health and lifestyle improved that number went down a lot. This year I have been blown out badly twice, which isn't so bad in my opinion...

It's funny, I went through another period of brutal blow outs in Hungary and Ukraine back in June after this thread died. Often 8-10 a night just to get one set to hook.

I don't know, yeah, it sucks in the moment when it happens, but something about it invigorates the hell out of me. One night in Budapest I just got destroyed. I was like, "Fuck this, I'm coming out tomorrow night on a mission." And I did. I pushed it hard. Harder than I have in years. Didn't drink, opened about 15 girls, ended up making out with a super hot girl on the dance floor. Something about the challenge just gets me excited.

It's probably why I prefer going out and doing pick up abroad these days, it's more of a challenge and the women are more exotic and interesting.