(04-22-2011 10:35 AM)WhiteMonk Wrote:  Roissy consistently hits it out of the park.

Roissy's very hit and miss with me. The guy is obviously incredibly smart, but I take major issue with some of his beliefs. Like not just, "Oh I disagree," issue, but a "Holy shit, that's some angry and toxic shit," issue.

This article was partially inspired by Roissy: http://www.practicalpickup.com/butcherin...alpha-male

He seems to be a very intelligent, and deeply damaged person.

(04-22-2011 11:58 AM)Eros Wrote:  

(04-22-2011 10:35 AM)WhiteMonk Wrote:  Roissy consistently hits it out of the park.

Maybe, but I feel like his mindset is so poisonous that it's just toxic to your mindset to be a regular to his blog. Every time I finish reading his blog I feel depressed and disillusioned about men, women, and the world in general. Can't imagine viewing the world through those lenses.

Roissy is very intelligent and on target but I do agree about the mindset. The comments skew toward the angry and vicious too. When I first discovered his blog I read a lot of the archives and I feel like I learned a few useful things, but I also felt pretty dark for a couple of days afterward.

the best:

http://krauserpua.com/

@ all/Mark

what do you think about SNS (Nick and Epik)?

Realassanova's blog was excellent; one of the few guys who was honest and could give you advice that you could actually use. Sad that he's retired; even more that his blog is now unavailable.

Mark's blog is excellent

Roissy is a bit of a curate's egg. He writes very well, backs up a lot of his arguments with scientific evidence (when relelvant) and offers some good advice. He's obviously very intelligent, and his turn-of-phrase frequently cracks me up i.e. the 'matron-vixen line' in a recent entry.

But the bad outweighs the good. Because he writes in a compelling, articulate manner, its easy for the and the cult of angry young men who seem to follow him to take all he says at gospel.

Even if some of his writings are meant to be tongue-in-cheek, the strong misogynistic element of the blog, turns my stomach. It's like they treat women like christmas pudding - after the 25th, who wants it - and there's the constant 'real men have tons of booty calls, you will always lose your girl to greater game' undertones. It's unrealistic and for the amount of 'broken' guys who enter the community, it's a recipe for disaster.

I always said to people when I got good at this, "I never want to be the 45 year old guy who's never been married, never had kids, and is still running around hitting on 20-year old girls every night and having drunk one night stands."

It feels like Roissy's that guy.

Roosh's misogyny and anger is even worse though, if that's possible. and it's absolutely painful to read some times. He must have really been fucked over by his mother/various women in his life, because the anger on there is just not natural at all. Although I will say Roosh's practical advice and observations about different cultures tend to be excellent. I actually find myself stopping by his blog more than Roissy.

I get the appeal of the whole stat-sheet approach to banging girls. I still partake in that now and again too. It's also fun to high-five your buddies about stuff like that and trade war stories. But to base your life around it and basically eliminate any possibility for emotional connection or relationship as being "beta," I think it's a vacant and miserable way to live a life.

To a young, inexperienced guy finding the community, guys like Roissy seem to be real-life examples of How I Met Your Mother's Barney Stinson; the cool, promiscious ladiesman in constant control of himself and women. He never seems to get rejected, never has to settle for the homely girl at the end of the night, and has conquests in the triple figures.

However, these guys miss the point. Barney is actually meant to be pitied rather than admired, hence him frequently being the buttmonkey on the show. His constant need to score or show off to friends is cover for his absent father / distant mother issues. He can only exist in fantasy because in reality, he would have long succumbed to depression, STDs or just a bad reputation.

I understand where Mark is coming from. I have friends in the swinging community, and it's actually quite sad to see aging, paunchy guys and women still acting like they're in their 20s. They are forced by a compulsion to have sex, and it's boring and nauseating to hear them recount their adventures.

One of them has been swinging so long, she's bought into the whole 'lots of sex with everyone you can' hippy ethos. She'll frequently quote long-disproven studies into sex, and espouse Reich's theories on Sex energy. It's a sad sight to see a hideously overdressed female 'Mystery' in her 60s hit on men old enough to be her grandsons and try and drag them off to toilets for sex. She truly believes she has 'beaten the system' by being so promiscious, yet she has few friends outside the community, and her long-term partners are creepy, unemployed lechs.

I've always believed that what good pick-up advice can give you are the tools to get the partner you really want, and not be trapped in bad relationships because you feel that's all you can get. Sadly, that's not really that desirable to confused young men.

We're more or less wired to be sexually non-monogamous (to varying degrees) but emotionally monogamous with 1-3 people throughout our lives. The science right now really only debates where that monogamy begins/ends, not whether it exists. Psychology is showing pretty conclusively that people in that monogamous emotional relationship are happier and higher functioning people in the long-run.

If you're unable to partake in one of the most basic emotional drives because of some sort of sexual fixation and fantasy about being "alpha," then that's a pathology and probably needs some sort of professional help. Over the years, I've met a number of guys (mostly non-community) well into the triple digits, and they all had severe compulsory/depressive behavior and were not happy people. I think I had a pretty strong fixation for a few years, and am generally a highly sexualized person, and even when I got to about 50-60 lays I started to think, "What was the point of this again? I'm going to go learn a language now."

Funny you bring up the absent father/distant mother. I've got a series of partially written posts that are about that.