Yeah... but again, don't fall into the trap that most guys fall into which is to under-estimate your passive attraction... your confidence, body language, and fashion all have much more to do with it than height I would argue. A lot of guys assume stuff like "Oh, I'm only 5'8", so I must have to work SO MUCH HARDER to get those girls," when really they may only have to work like 10% harder.

For instance, Rob Judge regularly pulls off the fast-escalation club game with girls and he's like 5'9" or 5'10". Height is only one (small) piece of the entire puzzle.

(05-11-2011 11:38 PM)General G Wrote:  

(05-11-2011 09:51 PM)Mark Wrote:  http://www.practicalpickup.com/forum/sho...hp?tid=322

Excellent text. I especially like the differenciation between passive and active value. Makes good sense.

However, I think it's useful when a guy mentions whether he has a high or a low passive value when he posts a gameplan or a field report on a PUA forum. That's also the main reason why I mentioned my height problem (=low passive value) in my gameplan post, so that other short/unattractive guys can see that this procedure might work for them as well. That's a useful information.

For example, Aaron Sleazy regularly mentions his high passive value to express that his method (=high risk approach in clubs, very fast escalation, no conversational skills or comfort building needed) is especially designed for guys like him. That's useful information, too. Same goes for 60 method, which is similiar to Sleazy's.

I definitely agree that one should never take a low passive value as an excuse not to develop a high active value by learning game properly.

What annoys me here is that guys are always generalizing. I'm short so I have low passive attraction, I'm tall so I'm hot. Have you ever realized that every women is different?

I'm 5f9 and I've had a lot of women telling me they find me attractive. Even taller girls....

If you really want to know your passive value: gather feedback from the women in your environment or go to a bar and see how women respond at your presence.

Aks yourself this, when you see a hot girl do you go through a cheklist in your mind? No, you feel that attraction instantenously. Same goes for women.

Shortest NBA player ever was 5'3 ...

Here's a list of everything I can think of that leads to getting laid and getting girls:

Body Language
Fashion
Social Proof
Grooming
Style
Hobbies/Interests
Accomplishments
Storytelling
Charisma
High Energy
Empathizing/Connecting
Height/Physical Features
Confidence/Lack of Fear
Escalation
Statements of Interest
Teasing/Flirting
Bantering
Isolation/Movement
Humor
Race/Culture
Dominance
Emotional State
Relating/Vibing

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Everything that you have control of is bolded. Everything you don't control is not bolded. NEW RULE: You're only allowed to complain about what's not in bold once you've improved everything that's in bold as much as possible.

Good list. Thanks Mark.

(05-12-2011 09:42 PM)Mark Wrote:  NEW RULE: You're only allowed to complain about what's not in bold once you've improved everything that's in bold as much as possible.

So what you are saying is, people should focus on changing the things they can and accepting the things they can't? That's absurd!

(05-13-2011 01:45 AM)Jon Wrote:  

(05-12-2011 09:42 PM)Mark Wrote:  NEW RULE: You're only allowed to complain about what's not in bold once you've improved everything that's in bold as much as possible.

So what you are saying is, people should focus on changing the things they can and accepting the things they can't? That's absurd!

I know, it's a radical new philosophy...

Absurd like approaching women you do not know on the street - completely absurd!