Trust me, it's not worth it...

Strangely, they usually tend to be semi-attractive. But they've usually got MASSIVE men-trust issues, which strangely draws them to this stuff...

I can confirm this. My friend (non PUA affiliated) slept with this girl who hung out with two coaches, one of whom lived at his house (Mark you know them both). Halfway through sex she (out of nowhere) admitted she'd been raped previously. She was hot and loved flaunting her sexuality, but I knew that if she was going out with these two guys when they were teaching and 'in-field', then something was up.

Sounds like a hassle.

(04-13-2011 10:33 AM)Mark Wrote:  But if a woman needs more time, that's not her playing games. It has nothing to do with games. It's just her following her emotional process. And as long as she's honest about that process, I don't mind waiting.

On the other hand, if a girl has been abused and is scared to death of intimacy and needs a lot of time and work to unravel that, then that's cool. But those aren't games. She's not manipulating me. Her emotions are genuine.

99% of flakes and 99% of "hard to get" behavior is not manipulative and it is not games. It's just a girl being a girl and changing her mind a lot. Girls are not trying to battle you. They WANT you to seduce them. But if you keep seeing them as some sort of enemy, then they're going to keep flaking on you.

I was re-reading this thread today and I really liked these parragraphs, they make a lot of sense based in my own experience but observed from a different perspective. BTW, for a girl almost 20 years younger than me she's gonna have a long process to feel comfortable with me, "that's it".

(04-12-2011 12:28 PM)Mark Wrote:  Leo: You're describing all of these tactics you've tried with girls who play games. What they all have in common is that they're all behaviors based on her, not yourself. That's why I simply say walk away. I don't like games. So I walk away. I don't care what she does or says after that. I walk away because I value my own preferences more than I value hers. Even if you're aggressive or demanding with her, you're still basing your behavior on her, which sub-communicates that you prioritize her over yourself. And no matter how dominant and aggressive you ACT, you're still sub-communicating that you're weak and submissive to her will.
When you just say, "I don't play games" and walk away, you sub-communicate that you don't and will never prioritize her above yourself. This is the way of an attractive man. Sometimes she'll come back. Other times she won't. Either way, I don't care at that point.

So fucking true! How I didn't see it before.

Just ask yourself if James Bond would play games with random girls in bars? Why doesn't he do it?

In my experience, girls who play games, flake, etc. usually have low self-esteem, don't know what they want in life, etc. You don't want such a girl anyway, do you?

(04-15-2011 09:53 PM)Mark Wrote:  It often surprises guys when they hear that this industry has its own set of "groupies," basically girls who just want to bang a PU coach for no other reason than that he's a PU coach.

It often DOESN'T surprise guys when they hear that these women tend to be absolutely batshit.

Have you asked one about her motivation to do that?

I think they'd tell you their motivation is that they want to help guys, or that they're curious about it. Which is BS.

My theory/experience about groupies is that they're women who have major intimacy issues and are typically too untrusting or too unable to get close to most men. I think they sub-consciously seek out the PUA community because sub-consciously they need a man who is going to be as persistent and desperate as a PUA to be able to feel comfortable being with them.

Usually these girls are somewhat attractive. A lot of major cities have a few. You'll see them at meetings or conventions. I stay away. But then again, I stay away from meetings and conventions these days too.

(06-16-2011 08:50 PM)Mark Wrote:  I think they sub-consciously seek out the PUA community because sub-consciously they need a man who is going to be as persistent and desperate as a PUA to be able to feel comfortable being with them.

This sentence made me laugh.

(06-16-2011 08:50 PM)Mark Wrote:  they need a man who is going to be as persistent and desperate as a PUA to be able to feel comfortable being with them.

I got it. So true! Again. Just us put her priorities ahead of ours.