(06-30-2011 06:23 AM)TheBoss Wrote:  How come guys are leaving the G3 program?

No one's leaving it. The problem is more that people just stay in it and don't use it.
Also I think it can be marketed/branded much better.

(06-30-2011 07:29 PM)fckd Wrote:  I thought Pandora's Box was pretty good.

Admittedly, I did not purchase the product, but the entire idea that you need to have these 8 different ways to approach 8 types of women 1) sounds way too complicated and a bigger pain in the ass than even mystery method and 2) has no relationship to the conduct of guys who are actually successful with women.

I thought Pandora's Box was interesting as hell and really enjoyed going through it. But yeah, not very useful at all. Chalk it up to infotainment.

What's the format? Audio, video, or book?

I thought that The Attraction Code was one of the best written ebooks in the community (although only moderately useful), but that the Dominant Sexual Power audio was excruciatingly boring, on account of Vin's monotone presentation.

(07-01-2011 04:59 AM)Jon Wrote:  What's the format? Audio, video, or book?

I thought that The Attraction Code was one of the best written ebooks in the community (although only moderately useful), but that the Dominant Sexual Power audio was excruciatingly boring, on account of Vin's monotone presentation.

Why would anyone buy it then? If I want to read a well written and entertaining book, I'll read something by Chuck Palahniuk. If you are reading books on picking up women, they should actually help you pick up women.

(06-30-2011 07:39 PM)Mark Wrote:  

(06-30-2011 06:23 AM)TheBoss Wrote:  How come guys are leaving the G3 program?

No one's leaving it. The problem is more that people just stay in it and don't use it.
Also I think it can be marketed/branded much better.

This is a problem with the entire seduction community though. When I was part of the local layer, 90% of the guys didn't even approach. They always gave advice and critiqued your game, but once we were out nobody did anything.

I'm guilty of this as well. I broke up with my gf 2 weeks ago, but I have only done 2 approaches since then and haven't gone out to a club.

(07-01-2011 06:00 AM)TheBoss Wrote:  

(07-01-2011 04:59 AM)Jon Wrote:  What's the format? Audio, video, or book?

I thought that The Attraction Code was one of the best written ebooks in the community (although only moderately useful), but that the Dominant Sexual Power audio was excruciatingly boring, on account of Vin's monotone presentation.

Why would anyone buy it then? If I want to read a well written and entertaining book, I'll read something by Chuck Palahniuk. If you are reading books on picking up women, they should actually help you pick up women.

Well, at the time I bought it, I didn't know it was only moderately useful. Plus, moderately useful is well above average for the seduction community, and the book is relatively cheap.

(07-01-2011 06:02 AM)TheBoss Wrote:  

(06-30-2011 07:39 PM)Mark Wrote:  

(06-30-2011 06:23 AM)TheBoss Wrote:  How come guys are leaving the G3 program?

No one's leaving it. The problem is more that people just stay in it and don't use it.
Also I think it can be marketed/branded much better.

This is a problem with the entire seduction community though. When I was part of the local layer, 90% of the guys didn't even approach. They always gave advice and critiqued your game, but once we were out nobody did anything.

I'm guilty of this as well. I broke up with my gf 2 weeks ago, but I have only done 2 approaches since then and haven't gone out to a club.

Definitely agree that this is a setback in the dating industry. Without a personal coach pushing you forward, it's hard to break your comfort zones. The problem is that fear is an emotion and not always logical. While I personally realize that it is not a big deal to approach women in public, emotionally I still have fear doing it.

(07-01-2011 06:20 AM)Todd1 Wrote:  

(07-01-2011 06:02 AM)TheBoss Wrote:  

(06-30-2011 07:39 PM)Mark Wrote:  

(06-30-2011 06:23 AM)TheBoss Wrote:  How come guys are leaving the G3 program?

No one's leaving it. The problem is more that people just stay in it and don't use it.
Also I think it can be marketed/branded much better.

This is a problem with the entire seduction community though. When I was part of the local layer, 90% of the guys didn't even approach. They always gave advice and critiqued your game, but once we were out nobody did anything.

I'm guilty of this as well. I broke up with my gf 2 weeks ago, but I have only done 2 approaches since then and haven't gone out to a club.

Definitely agree that this is a setback in the dating industry. Without a personal coach pushing you forward, it's hard to break your comfort zones. The problem is that fear is an emotion and not always logical. While I personally realize that it is not a big deal to approach women in public, emotionally I still have fear doing it.

For me its not so much that I need a coach to push me off comfort zone, its just I'm really lazy sometimes, so I just end up going with the easy route-getting a gf I'm not really compatible with.

(06-30-2011 05:56 AM)Mark Wrote:  Vin's Pandora's Box exploded last year. It was promoted everywhere and by everybody. Sold like hot cakes. Have to hand it to them, they really nailed the marketing on it. I heard for a while there they were making over a million a month. I think it's calmed down quite a bit, but the dude is basically printing money at this point.

It's strange... I regularly read a bunch of web pages in the dating / seduction area, participate actively in local groups, and I hadn't even heard of this product. I suppose I tend to stick to the more thoughtful and intelligent areas rather than the HYPE! GET! LAID! NOW! pages.

I'm also extremely skeptical about any "secrets" or "new" products as opposed to just having really, really tight fundamentals. (Something that Mark emphasizes, to his credit.)

Still, I'm a little surprised - who are the thousands of men buying this stuff every month? And are they getting the results promised?