Yes.

I ask because, if i game without this adrenalin it is more difficulte. Because, this adrenalin gives you charisma and full creative energy. The girls get more attracted then. If you attracted girls just trough opening, then your vibe is awesome.

how are your delivery of the opener?

- playful
- sincere
- someething else?

Quote:The girls get more attracted then.

No, they don't. They get LESS attracted.

I deliver my opener like this:
"Hi, excuse me. Hi, this is kind of random, but I thought you were kind of cute and wanted to meet you."

I deliver it with a smile and as if I was reading a newspaper to them.

Day game is 100% about being genuine and honest about your interest. If the thought, "How should I portray myself?" is ever entering your mind, then you are not being genuine and honest and are not going to get good results. Every time I coach guys and deliver the opener they're amazed because I sound like I'm reading the weather forecast.

I don't know how else to say this... be normal. Be totally normal. She's just a person and you're just a person. So talk to her as person.

Now i am very confusing. Because

1. in my best sets, i had a lot of adrenalin, because I overcome my AA (you say it is bad)
2. Most people say, i should show passion in the opener (you say: speak like to the wall)
(your style is very interessting)

Question 1:
Did I understand you right, I should open like " I already know her, totaly normal and relaxed. No big deal for me, iam cool. "
Question 2:
How to be genuine and honest about my interest? Should I emphasize the term "I wanted REALLY to meet YOU"? She should recognise that I really strongly want her?

You're not getting the point... it's not about having a style. When you say, "What style should I have?" you're basically saying, "What mask should I put on?"

I'm saying, "Don't put on a mask."

Be nervous. Be whatever. Just talk to her. Stop thinking about what you want to sound like or whatever. Just talk to her... be as normal and casual as possible. I don't know how many other ways to say "be normal."

If I might chime in,

I think Freedomone's mindset is that the point of having over the top game is to create attraction. What I suspect Mark would say is that most of that kind of stuff (tons of flirting, teasing, joking, physical contact) is to be able to hold a girl's attention in the high-distraction environment of a night club. It's not creating attraction, it's just upping your level of emotional stimulation to drown out the competition, in an environment where there is a lot of competition. You aren't actually doing anything to create attraction, it's just holding attention. Thus, you don't need to do anything like that in a normal daytime environment.

It's almost like day-game and night game should be renamed

night-game: funhouse environment game

day-game: real world game.

"If the thought, "How should I portray myself?" is ever entering your mind, then you are not being genuine and honest and are not going to get good results."

But if you are working on your body language and tonality, so you are having thoughts about that stuff, does that mean that you are not being genuine and normal?

I assume that practicing body language comes first although it can fuck up that interaction - long term over short term results.

(05-06-2011 06:43 AM)Frozen Flame Wrote:  But if you are working on your body language and tonality, so you are having thoughts about that stuff, does that mean that you are not being genuine and normal?

Those are things that you wanna be practicing all the time. You don't want to pay more attention to it when talking to a girl than otherwise. Always be a bit aware of your body language.

Next Time.

If I see a attractiv girl. I will just go to her, and tell her, that iam very attractiv to her and that I therefor wanna meet her. Totally honest with her and putting all my intention and everthing on the table. I will be complete open with my intention. I will open myself complete to her (like you say put the mask down)

I will do it saturday. I will post the results here than.

Mark? Did I understand you now right ? Or is this also a mask, if i tell her honest how i feel to her?

No, you got it. That's the starting point. If that doesn't work, then you're either doing something technically wrong (ie. standing too close, appraoching too quickly, touching her) or you dress/look like shit and need to take care of that.

Day game is REALLY straightforward. 99% of guys I meet over-complicate it. And 99% of the guys I coach end up getting more results by doing less.