(04-12-2011 08:58 AM)Mark Wrote:  Attraction will destroy your day game sets. Teasing/banter/negs/etc. doesn't work.

Normal conversation = "Oh, that's cool that you're in school studying X. In school I studied X, Y and Z."

Day game is all about how casual and genuine you are.

I do not understand, if it is so easy, why no one really do it. And why it do not work for me? I early talked a lot about where i study etc. but i never did closed.

I will try this approach. I will talk 10 minute about myself, where i study, what i study, where i life, that i did make money with brooking, we will see than.
I always closed with sets where i had many fun

(04-13-2011 01:20 AM)Mark Wrote:  Try it out. In my experience it just makes them uncomfortable.

The thing about day game is that you're not in a bar or club or place where it's deemed "normal" to approach. You approach a girl in a bar, she knows you're hitting on her, she knows what to expect. When you approach her at the supermarket, she has no idea what your deal is -- if you're crazy, if you're a serial killer, if you're going to rape her behind the dumpsters out back, if this is all a joke and there's a camera somewhere.

That's why your success rate is more or less going to be determined 90% by how casual and comfortable you make the interaction for her. And why in my experience any teasing or flirting just sabotages everything.

You mean i light qualification and 10 minute small talk and everything is all right?

2 minutes. Unless you two are really clicking, you should be grabbing the number and going within 2-3 minutes.

I open last time a girl, she was very attracted. After 2 minutes i running out things to say, and try to close, she said "i have a boyfriend". But i know she didnt have one. I could see that she is lying. If i try closing after 2-3 minutes, i get always "i have a boyfriend"

(04-13-2011 03:39 AM)Mark Wrote:  2 minutes. Unless you two are really clicking, you should be grabbing the number and going within 2-3 minutes.

Didn't you once set that under 10 minutes numbers tend to flake?

What about making her laugh? I mean if you can give her a good time and still be casual shouldn't this be a bonus?

I'm mostly interested in day game, so I would like your take on this.

I think Paul Janka said that out of about 30 numbers, he's get maybe 10 replies and 1 or 2 lays. His typical hit rate is 11 %. If you haven't heard of him, he's a tall, slim Harvard guy who's very good looking. I've read his material and his experiences match up with Mark's...keep it short and sweet, don't be creepy etc.
Don't believe all the hype regarding 'gurus' laying girls on the same day, or getting make-outs in 10 minutes. Videos can easily be faked / edited.

it is understandly that she flake. Because she do not know you very much. If you talk only for 2 minutes, you will be still a stranger. that is a big surprise for me, that you said 2 minutese is great.

The 10 minutes was in reference to night game.

The power of how I do day game is in going direct. I get less flakes than Janka, but I probably get fewer numbers. Going direct puts it right out there why you're talking to her. The most common rejection you'll get it "I have a boyfriend." You'll get that at least 50% of the time, whether it's true or not (you never really know for sure).

But those times you do get the number, she'll be very unlikely to flake because she knew that you were interested in her before asking for the number. In that way, her complying is kind of saying, "I'm interested too."

I'd say for every 30 girls I approach, I probably get 10 numbers and 4-5 dates. So similar results as Janka, different process.

Also, I've met Janka a couple times. He's actually not THAT good looking. He has greying hair and is really skinny/slightly awkward.

That seems to be the golden number - 11%. In sales, they say that 1 in 10 is a good ratio; everyone from Brian Tracy to Tom Hopkins seems to say this!

In 'Attraction Formula' Janka mentions that even if you have good looks, girls will rarely approach...guys still have to work. Having good style and confidence seems to be the key, he says.

Didn't Chris Rock once say that girls know whether they'd want to screw a guy in the first few seconds of meeting him, and she's just hoping he doesn't say anything stupid

Now I'm confused. I've been hearing a lot lately that the longer you stay with her (10 mins, instant dates, etc), the more likely you are to see her again.
Months ago when I tried the 2-3 minute way, I racked up about 15 numbers, but couldn't even get them to respond to me. Then I gave up for 3 months, and now that I'm trying again, I'm trying for the longer conversation route.
You say giving up their number is their way of saying they are also interested, but the impression I was left with is that they gave it to me knowing they had no intention of seeing me again.
Otherwise, I can't understand why they wouldn't respond at least to the initial text/phone call.