(05-11-2011 01:23 AM)Mark Wrote:  Hint: the over-analyzing and rejection are not a coincidence.

Touche, but I'm pretty sure I said that 3 pages ago..

(04-25-2011 04:37 AM)Mark Wrote:  That would fall under "trying to prove something."

Day game is all casual small talk and then a number. Just be friendly and normal.

I know this is about day game/cold approaches specifically - but I seriously think 'be friendly and normal' is the number 1 advice, and its what we already knew. That's why I find this whole pick up thing funny. Sure it has its perks, but at the end of the day, there is only so much analyzing/intellectualizing one can do. Its just about being genuine and being opportunistic.

Of course I'm not trying to denounce pick up completely - I find it very interesting on a more intellectual level, especially the kind of stuff Mark comes up with which is more then just 'pick up'. But I read this kind of stuff because it interests me, not because I believe its going to help me with my game.

At the end of the day we can try and digest loads of pickup advice but it really comes downs to just being yourself. Just being friendly and normal. Its really quite simple once you have basic elements down. ie your in as good as physical shape as you can be, your dressing well, your not a weirdo etc.

(04-25-2011 07:11 AM)KickBomber Wrote:  I agree with Freedomone here.

I've done about 200-220 now, and gotten one girl on a date so far. And that girl was a warm approach, not cold, since she smiled at me first. And that was about 100 approaches ago.

Today was yet another disaster.

It gets really frustrating to be told 'how much easier' it is to approach and get dates with girls during the day, and then the numbers don't line up at all with that notion. Just by sheer volume, I should've gotten at least 1 date out of all these cold approaches. Even if 'something's off' about my mechanics or whatever, it just doesn't seem possible for my results to be this absolutely abysmal. At this point, it'd be nice to at least get a single reply to my texts and calls. You said somewhere in one of these threads that 'I shouldn't be getting flakes from daygame', but that's all, I get. Even when I get a great response off the opener, nothing comes of it.

My body language and tonality isn't any different than it is during nightgame and my results and responses are consistently better there.

I'm just saying, I think the 'daygame is easy, just be casual' mantra isn't really the case.

Jeez, first let me say I respect your efforts a lot. But If I had that many approaches and that little success I would be pretty pissed.

Honestly I dont approach girls on the street at all. Maybe occasionally chat to the odd one here and there when at a bus stop/cafe kind of thing. But never street approaches. My experience is probably a normal level for my age as well. I game through social circle/girls I meet through a shared activity such as (at the moment) a lecture/seminar at university.

I would like to start approaching the odd girl of the street but I question the logic of it all. Sure, in a cafe, or at a bus stop - it seems more realistic. But street game in the day just seems a little bit too random for me just now. I guess now summer is here(just about) in the UK, its definitely the time of year, so might have to give it a try.

I think the problem with day game would be that its hard to escalate. If you chat to a girl that seems similar to you in some respects, ie she lives in your area, similar age etc, then that makes more sense. But if you did manage to move to a date with a girl that didn't seem particularly similar to you - unless its involving alcohol - I can imagine it pretty hard to escalate and could get awkward pretty quickly if you just go for a coffee or something. But I am over analyzing here. sorry. I guess the level of attraction and chemistry from that first moment you meet her you will be able to gauge how it could all go.

Kickbomber - As I personally havent done that many cold approaches in the day I can't really comment from experience. But my guess is that something is out of line. If your at least average looking, dressing well, and you dont come across as weird/creepy/socially awkward, then your poor success rate seem strange.

(05-11-2011 10:12 AM)007 Wrote:  Honestly I dont approach girls on the street at all.

I would like to start approaching the odd girl of the street but I question the logic of it all.

I am over analyzing here. sorry.

I can't really comment from experience.

Why do you post this? You're a KJ. You can't help anyone with this post.

Question the logic of it all? It's called hooking up with hot girls. What the hell is illogical about that? And yes, you are over-analyzing... go outside!

Little Field Report

Totally strange stuff happen to me today. Iam on the way at home, iam tired. Suddenly a beatiful girl sit dowm right to me. Iam full of excitement. Then, exit stop she goes out, i go out. I approach her direct.

Then the strange part:

I do useless small talk because i was tired my head was empty, but I talk to her like I already know her, normal and friendly. She is still little stunned. After 1 Minute Conversation she take my facebook name, i forgot to ask her, after 1 hour she add me at facebook. She said I was very nice. it is my first close after ca. 30 directs.

being normal, friendly and amicable, small talk. seems to work, i will try it futher

Normal = speak to her like you already know her.

Is it right mark?

(05-17-2011 05:54 AM)Freedomone Wrote:  ...
being normal, friendly and amicable, small talk. seems to work, i will try it futher

Normal = speak to her like you already know her.

Interesting...
So how did you do your first 300+ direct approaches if it wasn't like this one?

And did you do something direct or you were just talking and she asked your fb?

In my earlier directs. I did go after the direct opener into attraction, I used teasing, C&F and Humor, because I thought she have to be attracted. Now I go straight into Comfort after the Direct opener.

(05-17-2011 02:54 PM)Freedomone Wrote:  In my earlier directs. I did go after the direct opener into attraction, I used teasing, C&F and Humor, because I thought she have to be attracted. Now I go straight into Comfort after the Direct opener.

That's exactly what to do.

The LoveSystem is fault, because they teach you have to build attraction during daygame, see the daytime dating book from soul. its so useless.


General hast du schon lays aus direkt game geschafft?