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Harry Offline
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"Randomness" question
Hi Mark, love your blog and i am glad you made a forum.

I have been cold approaching for almost a year now, and i am pretty happy with my results considering before that i only slept with 2 girls in my life and both were girlfriends.

However, something has been bugging me lately, and that is the fact that some girls just like me as soon as i approach, while others wont hook up with me no matter what i do. It's all so random and i feel like i have very little control.

Last week i approached a girl directly at the mall food court and as soon as i told her shes cute, she lit up, smiled and introduced herself. I didnt have to run any "game" on her, just had a casual conversation, we ate together, she gave me her number and a couple days later i texted her and she responded after like 2 seconds, we went out for coffee and fucked at my place.

A few days after that i approached another girl with the exact same opener, but instead of smiling she gave me this dear in headlights look and when i tried to introduce myself she just told me shes not interested and walked off.

Stuff like this happens to me all the time and its frustrating, some girls like me, others dont and i cant seem to find a pattern, its all completely random.

How do i eliminate this so i can get consistent results?

Here Mystery talks about the "5 for 5" rule, but i feel like i will never get even close to that.
How do guys like him get 100% success rate?
04-11-2011 02:15 AM
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RE: "Randomness" question
Are you doing direct day game?


100% success is bullshit. Its a Marketing gag
I heard somewhere that even the best guys have a 30% success rate (opening-> sex)
04-11-2011 02:20 AM
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RE: "Randomness" question
aks yourself this:
are you attracted to every women you see in your every day life?
do you know a politician that can get 100% of the votes?

How do you feel know about this 100% succes rate?

ps: a lot of women in those videos are just paid. Do you want to see what he does with your money? Check out his other videos on youtube and look at the size of his mansion.
04-11-2011 02:29 AM
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RE: "Randomness" question
The opener has nothing to do with your results. Its absolutely fine what your doing I think.

I would file this one under logisitics. As Lycan rightly points out you cant have them all (sadly). This is where its a numbers game which is sad but true.
There are a million reasons out of your control that she isnt interested. Also make sure your vibe is consistent. That might make a bigger difference to long term results. Dont go looking for a better opener to 'fix' this.
04-11-2011 02:29 AM
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Thumbs Up RE: "Randomness" question
Paul Janka has said his approach to lay ratio is about 1 in 10 or 1 in 9. This is pretty interesting considering he's a tall, very good-looking Harvard grad who lives in Manhatten. Mark said something similar in an interview a while back...

http://nextlevellifestyles.com/around-th...a-entropy/

I would take what Mystery says with a huge grain of salt. Given the 'performance' that is a huge part of Mystery Method, the whole '5 for 5' thing could just mean he opens five groups and they don't think he's a freak! Wink
04-11-2011 03:11 AM
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RE: "Randomness" question
Agreed. Take the marketing with a bag of salt.

Also I would add that you probably dont want to spend all your life trying to get better at this just to up some metric. Its probably more important that you make the succesful meetings with the cuties that like you as rich and as interesting as possible for both you and her. At the end of the day that is what will make your life remarkable and something to be proud of. Not that you bang on average 5 out of 10 girls you meet.

I think coming from the place of seeing yourself as an ambassador in the world is really healthy (credit here to Juggler). So focusing on bringing people together, adding something positive to conversations and of course get laid as a side-benefit to that output (which is easy if you know how to escalate smoothly right?). Call it positive karmic payback.

If you just want to get laid go direct, hardcore escalate, flirt, tease, impress and turn over big numbers of approaches. It's exhilarating and addictive. You'll sell your soul to your penis so watch you dont get too shut off from real human connection. Ive seen some ex pua horror stories of guys that cant trust girls because they have picked up some nasty beliefs in their 'get laid or die trying' nightgame adventures.

All that aside if you want to do that then best to go ahead and sow your seeds sooner rather than later. Look after yourself. Big Grin
04-11-2011 04:01 AM
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RE: "Randomness" question
The 5 for 5 Myth is possibly one of the most damaging and completely untrue things propagated by Mystery. Don't beat yourself up about it man. You're doing fine. We all have to deal with the randomness.

Check out this article:
http://www.practicalpickup.com/what-you-cant-control

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04-11-2011 04:31 AM
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RE: "Randomness" question
I'm curious about how often do you get rejected in the first 3 minutes now Mark? (e.g. once every 10 approaches)
04-11-2011 10:01 PM
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RE: "Randomness" question
Night game? Depends on the venue.

But a few times per 10 approaches, yeah. And then I'd say another 2-3 per 10 don't reject me, but just don't go anywhere.

You just get used to it and stop caring.

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04-12-2011 02:32 AM
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RE: "Randomness" question
Well even if it's one lay in every ten girls, that's still awesome. Some say like yeah those dating coaches get laid, but they approach 25 girls a night blah blah blah, but again if we counted every time some average guy doesn't approach a girl because he's scared as a rejection, average guy would have like 1 in 500 score.

I don't have a better way to measure someone's success.
04-12-2011 02:58 AM
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