Yeah looks like I wasn't lucky with my therapist. He was basically forcing his belief system on me.

I'd like the therapist from Good Will Hunting. Best darn movie therapist ever.

IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT!!!

Rob Judge's ebook which I bought "4 Elements of Game" is nothing new and is a rip off a lot of RSD concepts. For example so many of the concepts in that book are a direct copy in different wording from RSD Tim's flawless natural. It basically talks about having intent and being fun etc etc..

If you watch his speech at the 21 convention he comes off very nervous and awkward on stage. No biggie cause good public speaking doesn't equal good at pickup.

Rob actually does have some good credibility with his performance on Pickup Tube which I subscribed to for 2 months. Pickup Tube is one of the best values I got out of PUA. I saw Nick Quick and Rob run some good sets with simple game including Lays. Seeing it helps you feel it out in a visual way.

I would probably say that "conversation demolition" is a pretty under-rated product, and probably the most useful one you can get in terms on fundamental skills with good practical examples instead of reading PU books.

60 is also very good for sexual escalation and stuffs that cut through bullshit.

I handed both books to a friend and he told me he got laid without difficulties at a night party and got somehow "de-toxicated" from the PU crap he read through all those years...

I love Conversation Demolition. It's like America's Funniest Videos, with Mark handling voiceover on the situation. At the end of some of the conversations, I laugh, I'm genuinely disappointed, I'm stunned. Very delightful reading. By the end, it's like you have that voice stuck inside your head. A good thing in fact.

I read the book "How to Succeed with Women" by Ron Louis and David Copeland and altough it is old as shit and I have never heard about those guys before I am actually surprised how much good advice is in there. They start of straight away telling the reader that getting good with women is going to be hard work and rejection will be a big part of the process. They go into detail about this being a numbers game at that it is important to improve you´re lifestyle and looks and how to actually "cope" with rejection. A fact that nearly every modern PU product only skims if at all mentions but I think is absolutely central to succees in this. They cover basics of flirting with humour and have a VERY good part of how to emotionaly connect with women. Overall probably better advice then "Magic Bullets" or whatnot.

I have that book ("How to Succeed with Women") sitting on my shelf right now. It's as thick as a Bible and the advice is kinda hit-or-miss, but I agree that it's probably better than Magic Bullets.

What do you mean by hit or miss? not a rhetorical question to start a pissing match just interessted in you´re opinion....

I guess he meant that the book says you have to accept a lot of rejection (miss) as a part of the process or you score (hit) because the women likes your type, is in the right mood etc.

Any opinion on his other book "How to talk to women"?