(09-25-2011 01:33 PM)Matt C Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 06:47 PM)FirstAidKit Wrote:  I don't know about just hot... but there is a difference if you are really, really, terribly good looking.

I am curious. How would things be different?

I was making a vague zoolander reference... there isn't really. The 'game' is still going to be similar, good looks just stack the deck in your favour and make her more receptive. I think different girls have more niche tastes than men do, personally, which makes it easier to play to your strengths.

(09-25-2011 10:43 PM)Mark Wrote:  Nobody needs "sick game" to get laid by cold approach. It's all a numbers game in the end. A good-looking guy with no game will eventually get laid for no other reason than his looks. I've seen it happen numerous times.

But if you took a mediocre looking guy with good game and a good-looking guy with mediocre game, I'd bet on the mediocre-looking guy with good game getting more action in the long-run. No question.

Mark Ive started reading your book, from what Ive seen this far it seems like u wanna communicate like ONE core thing in the end. Is that thing is that you gotta learn how to be as vulnerable as possible?

(09-26-2011 03:50 AM)FirstAidKit Wrote:  I was making a vague zoolander reference... there isn't really. The 'game' is still going to be similar, good looks just stack the deck in your favour and make her more receptive. I think different girls have more niche tastes than men do, personally, which makes it easier to play to your strengths.

So true... sometimes I wish I could beat this into guys' heads.

Palf Wrote:Mark Ive started reading your book, from what Ive seen this far it seems like u wanna communicate like ONE core thing in the end. Is that thing is that you gotta learn how to be as vulnerable as possible?

Yes, but vulnerability is covered in Chapter 3 (of 15). The book goes quite a bit further than that.

I know a girl who seems to have an undeniable test for "brutes," for lack of a better word. Many people find her attractive and would expect her to date people with the same looks as her.

Well, the point is that I agree with Mark. It really blows my mind away. Every single guy she's dated can quite literally be described with words like big, plump, short, heavyset, etc. Just imagine Wario. This must surely be one of those niche tastes described above.

Social circles could be part of the reason these men continually get with her, but it seems she looks for something specific. It's really really interesting. It's not because they have game (only part of it), good looks, or anything. It's as if she handpicks a guy based not only on what they show but what she particularly likes.

I hope I'm not sounding redundant.

(09-25-2011 10:43 PM)Mark Wrote:  Nobody needs "sick game" to get laid by cold approach. It's all a numbers game in the end. A good-looking guy with no game will eventually get laid for no other reason than his looks. I've seen it happen numerous times.

But if you took a mediocre looking guy with good game and a good-looking guy with mediocre game, I'd bet on the mediocre-looking guy with good game getting more action in the long-run. No question.

So true. I've got 17 snl this year and all of those were warm approaches, when they didn't come straight to me.
It just downed on me why I haven't had any luck with cold approach: I go up to girls intending to sell them on me, when I just need to assume that she is into me, even though she hasn't give me any signal, and carry as usual. Often they are attracted, but I turn then off.

Being open/hit on by women it's not just about the looks. It can be about the way you carry yourself, if you look like you'll react well or how you dress - there's a post about it on Assanova's blog. IIRC, my local newspaper ran an experience with two female reporters wearing different colours in different days and seeing if men would chat them up. Don't remember which were the best colours but red was the colour with least successes... Of course, the study was amateurish with no control for outside factors, but still, it makes some sense.

Last night I had 2 older chicks hitting on me, about 10-15y older. I must of not look very aggressive yesterday... The second had the son with her (She was attractive, I'd def do her, but the kid was very protective.)

(09-26-2011 07:55 AM)Traindom Wrote:  I know a girl who seems to have an undeniable test for "brutes," for lack of a better word.

Like Chabal?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/legacygallery...mage=95664

"He has been voted the sexiest man in France and the sexiest player at the World Cup." (from the Independent) I knew it was wise to grow beard and hair...

(09-25-2011 10:43 PM)Mark Wrote:  Nobody needs "sick game" to get laid by cold approach. It's all a numbers game in the end. A good-looking guy with no game will eventually get laid for no other reason than his looks. I've seen it happen numerous times.

But if you took a mediocre looking guy with good game and a good-looking guy with mediocre game, I'd bet on the mediocre-looking guy with good game getting more action in the long-run. No question.

The "community" makes too big a deal of game. It is stupid and retarded to think that you need excellent game to get laid. What is game anyway? Just being upfront about your desires mixed in with some calibration. That is it. For the sake of selling fucking products to guys who are afraid to take action, the community makes them run in circles. I guess they are catering to what the guys really want - sugarcoated pills which allow them to stay in their comfort zone. It is just like the weight loss gimmicks.

I remember reading Aaron Sleazy's rant against the community and thinking, "This guy is just bullshitting". But after innumberable approaches, guess what, he is totally right. I think any guy wanting to get laid just needs two products:

1) Paul Janka's attraction factor/DVD set - To hammer in how it is all a numbers game. The guy has had weeks where he laid a new chick every day of the week. How? By putting in the numbers.

2) 60 YOC - To show what being masculine really is

The rest is all just putting in the work. Being ok with getting rejected. An indomitable will and being shamelessly upfront about desires. I swear, if you approach a 100 chicks being shamelessly upfront about your desires, you have to be seriously miscalibrated to not get laid. And you can approach 100 chicks in 1 week easily by doing 10 a day. Those 100 chicks can even be really attractive and the same thing still applies. It's gotten to the point where I seriously don't give a fuck about any material anymore.

Yeah, you have to have a good verbal rap too though....

Quote:I think different girls have more niche tastes than men do, personally, which makes it easier to play to your strengths.

I think Vin DiCarlo or someone had something really eloquent to say about this. Gonna try to find it.

Quote:There is no absolute and objective value. It is all relative. (Cred: Dimitri) What is valuable to one girl is not valuable to the next. A rich and successful businessman has much value to a low income single mother, but relatively little value to a middle aged sugar mamma looking for a hot young stud. Similarly, some super peacocked goth dude has a lot of value to other goth chicks, but to a college party chick looking for a crazy frat boy, the goth dude is just some lame ass weirdo.

The entirety of Chapter 8 in my book is dedicated to how perception of value is completely relative. I call it Demographics.