It seem that there's limited amount of gaming "structure" in the community and pretty much most of the guru repackage it.

Recently, I saw rob judge video of his gaming structure of "F, E, R, A", or fera. it sounded pretty impressive. Rob claimed that he got something extremely original in the community and that "no one else" does it. It's basically focus, emotional stimulation, rapport and escalation.

Actually, rob is at least 5 years too late with this structure. This structure was actually coined by asianplayboy 5 years ago. APB has a structure of ABCE. It's basically, approach, buying temperature, connect, and escalate. It's the same shit rob is preaching.

In fact, rsd game is basically founded entirely by this principle. I've seen tim's flawless natural and his game is almost entirely his looks, his ability to spark buying temperature, and proper escalation.

Seem like all natural uses this game. However, whenever i witness a natural use this, it is much more edgier and more calibrated than a pua.

Mystery and all his students are literally the only one in the community who uses a different gameplan. His game is heavily routine base and value base. I personally dont like it because it requires extreme memorization.

However, recently I got a sales job. This job is fricking hard. I basically had to use tons of routine on client and frankly, it works a whole lot better than "my natural game" on the clients. The whole concept of the routine base sales job is that client have no reason to commit to any level of investment in you until you build enough value for them to understand. Building value is absolutely critical in a client. But of course there's also an element of walking away. If a client doesnt look like they're corporating, then you should walk away.

Seem like mystery either invented naturally or basically copy sales game and transfer it into pickup.

Just about everything in the community is a variation on Mystery's old FMAC model from the late 90's: Find, Meet, Attract, Close which later evolved into his M3 model of: approach -> attraction -> comfort -> seduction.

Even my own "Polarize and Connect" is a variation of this. As well as Rob's FERA.

Everyone thinks they're reinventing the wheel, but it's the same shit over and over. Read Chapter 1 of the new book, the science is showing women need two things to want to be with a man: to feel he's higher status than her (attraction) and to feel secure around him (connection). Oh, and they'll rarely initiate (escalation). That's it.

So no matter which way you cut it, it all comes back to those three things. It's just a matter of teaching it and explaining it in a really efficient and useful way (which I'd argue Mystery doesn't do).

(07-17-2011 02:19 AM)Mark Wrote:  Just about everything in the community is a variation on Mystery's old FMAC model from the late 90's: Find, Meet, Attract, Close which later evolved into his M3 model of: approach -> attraction -> comfort -> seduction.

Even my own "Polarize and Connect" is a variation of this. As well as Rob's FERA.

Everyone thinks they're reinventing the wheel, but it's the same shit over and over. Read Chapter 1 of the new book, the science is showing women need two things to want to be with a man: to feel he's higher status than her (attraction) and to feel secure around him (connection). Oh, and they'll rarely initiate (escalation). That's it.

So no matter which way you cut it, it all comes back to those three things. It's just a matter of teaching it and explaining it in a really efficient and useful way (which I'd argue Mystery doesn't do).

I thought the whole value thing was bullshit and its all about emotions? Lol, I should stop reading dating advice. Everytime I've gotten laid, I barely used anything of what I learned. I forget most of the shit when I'm talking to girls anyways. But then I've only banged 3 girls so wtf do I know lol

there are no special techniques, only fundamentals.

And this is true for every area in life.

The quicker you find them, the easier it gets.

Read the new book. The value thing is a bunch of bullshit and it is about emotions.

It really is unfortunate how much info in this industry really is useless.

(07-17-2011 02:56 AM)Mark Wrote:  Read the new book. The value thing is a bunch of bullshit and it is about emotions.

It really is unfortunate how much info in this industry really is useless.

I'm about to purchase it lol.

Ok done

Does the name of the book appear on the credit card statement btw? Or it just says clickbank?

Mark, what I'd say is that you are right that attraction, comfort, and escalation are the three essential elements to getting girls, the most effective ways to do that depends on context - and that includes the sequence. For instance, if I stop a girl outside a bar at midnight to talk to her, I probably am going to have to move her, and fast. On the other hand if I'm at a bar, I don't need to worry about bouncing right away. I think what mystery did was pick one logistical scenario and roadmap the fuck out of it. I don't actually think it's the most effective roadmap for that scenario.

I also think that's why Brian compared it to a sales strategy - interestingly, as a lawyer meeting with potential clients, we don't have a sales pitch, because what we are offering and what the client needs are so diverse it wouldn't work. Certainly in some sales contexts you can script more, but I think picking up girls is much more of a varied thing, so sticking to the script can get you in trouble.

(07-17-2011 02:19 AM)Mark Wrote:  Just about everything in the community is a variation on Mystery's old FMAC model from the late 90's: Find, Meet, Attract, Close which later evolved into his M3 model of: approach -> attraction -> comfort -> seduction.

Even my own "Polarize and Connect" is a variation of this. As well as Rob's FERA.

Everyone thinks they're reinventing the wheel, but it's the same shit over and over. Read Chapter 1 of the new book, the science is showing women need two things to want to be with a man: to feel he's higher status than her (attraction) and to feel secure around him (connection). Oh, and they'll rarely initiate (escalation). That's it.

So no matter which way you cut it, it all comes back to those three things. It's just a matter of teaching it and explaining it in a really efficient and useful way (which I'd argue Mystery doesn't do).

You don't value Qualification or do you put it under Attraction?

I think qualification is a natural side effect of other attractive behaviors, so it's not worth focusing on it separately. In fact, that's what I believe about most PUA techniques, they're natural side-effects if you get the correct concepts and beliefs down.

@Jon, agreed. In a way, recognizing context and adapting IS the game. The rest is just having the right habits and beliefs installed in you.