Often I meet a girl in a club and escalation doesn't work on her, or maybe it'll end up as nothing more than a makeout.

Its not that these girls aren't attracted at all or put me in the friend-zone, it feels like they just don't want to get physical quickly.

So I wonder: is it because my Game isn't tight enough or because some girls just have their strict rules/morals?

If you are more experienced, is ASD still a problem for you?

How many of the girls who go out at night would actually be open for having a one-night-stand?

I'd love to know this. I don't do any club game but the one time I went to a club this year I got a near-instant makeout with a Thai student who was pretty damn drunk--that fact alone meant that she wasn't coming home me me (shortly after the makeout ended her friend had to bring her to the ladies' room to puke). But it would be cool to have some ballpark figure for % women open to going home (given a guy they liked a lot) and compare clubs vs. bars.

I'm not an expert in this and I'm not sure what the percentage or quota would be, but it depends on a lot stuff, i.e. the quota for 25 year olds is different for the quota for 19 year olds. A piece of advice, if the girl likes you, is attracted to you, you have good conversation with her, and you escalate a good amount, why don't you get her number and try to sleep with a different night? You don't have to go for the home run the same night you meet her.

Making out with a girl at the club and taking her home are actually not related. There are girls who will make out and not go home with you, and vice versa. I actually think club makeouts are conterproductive for a one night stand because girls generally wanna be discreet about that kind of thing, and making out with a dude at the bar is broadcasting for all her friends what's going down. Really what you want is a lot of mutual touching, hand holding, hand on the small of her back, etc. It's much more subtle to the outside world, doesn't make her feel slutty, and it's a much better lead in to inviting her home. You want people to see you and think you two look like a couple, not like she's making out with a random dude at a bar.

I have no idea what the percentage of girls are at the club who want a one night stand. It's not all girls though. Plenty won't do it. Some are looking for it, and there's a range in between.

In terms of ASD - not totally sure what counts as "getting ASD" but generally I don't think im losing opportunities to take girls home because they don't want to look slutty in front of their friends.

What I'd say is that as you get better at this you will have a better judgment about when you can go for a same night pull vs when it's better to take the number. To do that though you have to push yourself and get rejected sometimes, which is how you learn.

Also, Cobra, I'm not sure what kind of results you are getting, but it's worth it to start off going for numbers and dates, and once you get good at that, pushing things into same night lay territory.

(06-25-2011 08:57 PM)cobrastyle Wrote:  Often I meet a girl in a club and escalation doesn't work on her, or maybe it'll end up as nothing more than a makeout.

Its not that these girls aren't attracted at all or put me in the friend-zone, it feels like they just don't want to get physical quickly.

So I wonder: is it because my Game isn't tight enough or because some girls just have their strict rules/morals?

If you are more experienced, is ASD still a problem for you?

How many of the girls who go out at night would actually be open for having a one-night-stand?

Are you isolating these girls away from their friends? If they're with friends, they may be feeling judged.

This is kind of an impossible question to answer. Theoretically 100% or 0% are open to going home with you depending on how well you game them and your passive attraction. Obviously, the percentage is going to vary quite a bit based on environment, night of the week, who you are, city you're in, culture, etc.

In one of the mid-tier places in Vegas, I'd say as many as 40-50% are open to sleeping with an average guy if he games them well. In a nice upscale hotel lounge it may only be 5-10%.

Ultimately, it doesn't really matter. I've had a number of same night lays with girls who have said that I was the first one night stand they've ever had. I've also had a number of same night lays with girls who probably fucked half the block before they met me. A lot of girls had absolutely no intention of sleeping with me until a moment before it actually happened. A lot of other girls knew they were going to fuck me the second I opened my mouth. In the end, who cares?

Here's the question you should be asking: what percentage of opportunities are you going for and what percentage are you passing up?

(06-26-2011 08:46 AM)Mark Wrote:  This is kind of an impossible question to answer. Theoretically 100% or 0% are open to going home with you depending on how well you game them and your passive attraction. Obviously, the percentage is going to vary quite a bit based on environment, night of the week, who you are, city you're in, culture, etc.

I worked with a girl today who had never dated a guy that she did not meet through her social circle in some way, and who never had sex until months after knowing a guy. And this was a girl who goes out and drinks alcohol regularly. She's 24.

Me and another guy asked her many questions, like how she would react if an attractive, cool guy approached her in a club. Wouldn't she be attracted? Wouldn't she be open to more with him? She said that when she's out, she's out with her friends. She doesn't do anything with random guys, because, she said, "how can you possibly know what kind of man he is, just by his appearance?". Even if she's attracted to a guy, she generally behaves uninterested or even rude when he tries to pick her up.

She also only ever had sex while being in a serious relationship. She felt like when she had sex she "gave" something. She gives her body to a man, and this is a very intimate thing, and if there's no love behind it then it's a very empty, bad thing in her eyes.

Her parents were very strict when they raised her (wasn't even allowed to watch MTV until she was like 14), and she still has a good relationship with them now, and she was religious (but not very strongly so I think).

I thought this was enlightening, because it further taught me that every girl is different. She did emphasize several times that she does enjoy sex and that she does have a desire for sex. But that her "principles" are stronger than any desire she may have. So if you happened to approach this girl in a club (and she does go out to clubs), then she would reject you pretty harshly almost certainly. And this would say nothing at all about your game or attractiveness.

(06-27-2011 01:59 AM)Philip Wrote:  Me and another guy asked her many questions, like how she would react if an attractive, cool guy approached her in a club. Wouldn't she be attracted? Wouldn't she be open to more with him? She said that when she's out, she's out with her friends. She doesn't do anything with random guys, because, she said, "how can you possibly know what kind of man he is, just by his appearance?". Even if she's attracted to a guy, she generally behaves uninterested or even rude when he tries to pick her up.

I doubt most women with her mindset would be rude to men who approach, but the "I'm just out to be with my girlfriends" mindset is at least fairly common, and I'm sure it leads to indifference to a man's approach much of the time.

A pretty hot female friend of mine I was tagging last year goes clubbing often and has been doing it for years (she's now 30). I was amazed that when I'd met her, she said she'd *never* gone home with anyone from a club. When I asked her about it she explained that she was "just out to be with my girlfriends" and something else that was very interesting: she said that for her, dancing by herself was very sexual. As far as I could tell, she basically *gets off* by herself by dancing even if no men are in sight (and even if she doesn't actually orgasm from it--because it wasn't clear to me--remember that women can get a lot of pleasure from almost having the big O even though it would frustrate most men).

Imagine trying to interrupt a woman like this while she's lost in that state while dancing.

Keep in mind - girls can say they have rules about these things but there are plenty of girls who would say they would never go home with a guy they met at a club, until they go home with a guy they met in the club. If it's her principles, not her lack of interest, she might go home with a guy if she gets caught in the right moment.

Yeah... women are often completely unaware of their own desires or motivations. But that said, women are all very different, and you will find very hot and sexy girls who have absolutely no intentions about meeting a guy or getting laid. Everyone is different.

That's why the only correct answer to this question is: approach and find out.