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RE: Quick Tyler Durden Review - Mike - 10-01-2011 07:35 AM
I thought I would post because I actually took a bootcamp with Tyler almost a year ago in Scottsdale, AZ. RSD was the only company I heard of at the time and I was new to the game. It's been a crazy year for me with an amazing transformation.
Yes, Tyler tried to sell me more programs and products while I was on bootcamp. I also noticed that he was in instructor mode when he was talking to people outside of bootcamp and made random people approach and that's what some of you guys were also saying. But, I also learned so much on bootcamp and he helped me break past many insecurities and issues I had with getting girls. He made me do some nerve-wracking things like re-open sets 4-5 times, follow girls into the bathroom and go for the make out on the opener. I personally had a great experience with the bootcamp, but others might not. Tyler is definitely not perfect and he's kind of crazy, but he was a great instructor and has great game. I simply don't want to shit on anyone who has actually helped me. I thought the other instructor Brad Branson was even better than Tyler though. And yes, Tyler can be a dick at times, but he seems to have absolutely no social anxiety or give a shit what anyone thinks of him.
I wouldn't take a bootcamp again, because most of all it will come down to pushing yourself on your own. It's easy to approach with a coach, but it's a lot harder to do it on your own.
I don't even follow RSD anymore and Practical pickup is now the only "pickup" type of site I read now and Models is by far the best and most influential book I have read for this stuff. Mark posts top quality content that is highly practical and non-dogmatic. Hope this helps you guys get a better idea of what Tyler is like from a person who spent a few days with him.
RE: Quick Tyler Durden Review - Jon - 10-01-2011 07:58 AM
So the focus was totally on pushing you outside of your comfort zone? Did he go over any kind of calibration or how to do approaches?
RE: Quick Tyler Durden Review - Brian - 10-01-2011 09:21 AM
(10-01-2011 07:58 AM)Jon Wrote: So the focus was totally on pushing you outside of your comfort zone? Did he go over any kind of calibration or how to do approaches?
Most bootcamp is simply helping guys destroy their social anxiety. Face it, if you have zero social anxiety + willing to hit on thousands of girls AND lower your standard, then you're guaranteer to get laid. Is your hit ratio goign to be great? no, is the quality and hotness of the girls going to the top notch? probably not...but you WILL get laid.
If you're already getting laid, why would you need a fucking bootcamp. Which is why it doesnt take much to be a pickup coach.
RE: Quick Tyler Durden Review - Mike - 10-01-2011 09:46 AM
(10-01-2011 07:58 AM)Jon Wrote: So the focus was totally on pushing you outside of your comfort zone? Did he go over any kind of calibration or how to do approaches?
The first two days we focused on approaching and getting physical and they completely pushed us out of our comfort zones. This helped, because I had really bad social anxiety, but is wasn't a magic pill. I've gone out 5-6 days a week since then and regularly approach. We did go over calibration stuff on the last day and smooth everything out. Tyler probably has the best non-verbal game I have ever seen, but you can see it is rooted in calibration for him by going out 6+ nights a week for the past 10 year, teaching bootcamps and doing things like meditation. Many of his approaches he would just walk up to women and stare at them until they start giggling uncontrollably.
I’ll admit my standards were fairly low when I first started because I had not been laid that much, but now I mostly approach girls I’m really attracted to and it has become much less of a numbers game.
The biggest change I’ve noticed lately is that my attitude toward women is much healthier. I used to be kind of bitter toward women, but now I let that feminine energy fill me up rather than frustrate me. When I get to the club or wherever, I think how cute every girl is by dressing up, and dancing like no one is watching and all their crazy drama. They love it and I’ve learned to embrace it.
RE: Quick Tyler Durden Review - Gill - 10-01-2011 10:58 AM
I really feel PU is probably the biggest scam / new wave religion community, which started as something as a counter-cultural movement, but at the end, became recycled in the consumer culture (MTV & hollywood). The most cynical aspect is that the book from Neil Strauss is just a huge narcissic bio/marketing tool/hollywood script waiting to be adapted to movie and ready to be bought in supermarket. I guess the "coaches" who are all part of this (more show that) business can only rely on this hype to sell their products by accepting to be part of the system and playing their role. Personally, I don't even consider Mark as a pick-up coach. Hopefully, social darwinism will do its job.
RE: Quick Tyler Durden Review - Eros - 10-01-2011 11:10 AM
(10-01-2011 09:46 AM)Mike Wrote:(10-01-2011 07:58 AM)Jon Wrote: So the focus was totally on pushing you outside of your comfort zone? Did he go over any kind of calibration or how to do approaches?The biggest change I’ve noticed lately is that my attitude toward women is much healthier. I used to be kind of bitter toward women, but now I let that feminine energy fill me up rather than frustrate me. When I get to the club or wherever, I think how cute every girl is by dressing up, and dancing like no one is watching and all their crazy drama. They love it and I’ve learned to embrace it.
This is really great.
RE: Quick Tyler Durden Review - Warped Mindless - 10-01-2011 03:39 PM
Just throwing in my .02 cents here.
On many forums, including this one, there seems to be a "us vs them" mindset in place. It doesn't have to be this way. Just because you like one teacher doesn't mean you can't also agree with another.
I for one have learned a great deal from both rsd and Mark. In fact, I would say what they teach compliment each other quite nicely.
On a side note, I love the new direction your taking the site in Mark!
RE: Quick Tyler Durden Review - Mark - 10-01-2011 04:19 PM
Warped brings up a good point which I always go out of my way to say in these types of threads: you can get the best piece of advice from the worst coach and get a horrible piece of advice from a great coach.
I've spent a LOT of face time with instructors and coaches in the PUA industry, both in commercial/bootcamp settings as well as in one-on-one or regular social situations.
There are some who are PHENOMENAL coaches and get amazing results out of guys, but I would never, ever, introduce them to my friends or invite them out to grab a beer. I'll leave it at that. On the other hand, there are some that are incredibly cool guys and naturally very good with women, but can't coach or motivate a guy to tie his own shoe, much less pick up women.
Obviously, this varies with personality as well. There are a lot of guys that I've worked with who went on to work with other coaches who were able to help them more than I was, and that's fine. The opposite has happened quite often as well.
RSD's methods and philosophy -- and I've said this for years now -- is very polarizing. It seems to help some guys immensely and very quickly. And it seems to hurt others immensely. If you've read my book, RSD tends to be great for social-anxious types, whereas they tend to be terrible and/or harmful for social-disconnect types. I also think they do a piss-poor job of addressing traumas and deeper psychological issues of guys with serious emotional problems. If one thing bugs me more than anything else about Tyler, it's that he's been looked at as THE inner game guru of the industry when much of his advice is horribly-researched, if not further damaging.
But my personal biases aside, I personally have not met Tyler, although he and I have some mutual friends and acquaintances. From everything I've heard and seen of him, he's not a person I would enjoy hanging out with. But that doesn't mean he's a bad coach or a bad with women. Shadow and Mike's posts here just kind of confirm what I've always thought and felt about him...
RE: Quick Tyler Durden Review - Brian - 10-01-2011 05:56 PM
Hmm, what you said makes sense.
I'm guessing the coach that got "phenomonal results" for guys, one of them is probably Sinn.
Given his credibility, i've met countless guys that i trust who got great result from taking his bootcamp. Not to mention his advices generally makes perfect sense and very down to earth, i dont doubt he's pretty legit.
However, i've met him once in real life and after talking to him for 5 minute, he come off as a real douche. But that's my own personal issues with him.
The rsd shit never helps me because i fit more into the catagory of "social disconnected" or was. I always have the least amount of AA or sexual anxiety among all my pua friends. But back then, when i took some of rsd advice literally, man, did my result REALLY suffer. Shit like oh...you can do literally ANYTHING you want as long as you believe in it and just ditch calibration is literally the worst advice i've ever gotten in the community. I fucked up so many times before i finally wise up and realize...ah shit, you need calibration to get laid. That was 3 years ago. I guess for guys who already realize calibration is important but are pussies, then rsd are money. Rsd is good at getting rid of your AA...that's it.
RE: Quick Tyler Durden Review - Mark - 10-02-2011 12:39 AM
I could see that about you Brian. And I know MM helped you out a lot early on. MM-type stuff tends to work best for guys who are social-disconnects. Routines are basically pre-packaged conversations already calibrated for you.
On the other hand, it often fucks up social-anxious types and makes them even more insecure.