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Anyone here ever have a passion on spirituality? - Brian - 08-16-2011 04:07 PM
Since this is an "off topic" forum, let's talk about something that is completely off topic to pickup. Iv'e been studying spirituality for the past years of my life and I consider it to be wholely way more important than pickup.
Sure, it's nice to stick your penis into some girls' vargina, but face it, eventually you would die. Nothing last...maybe not even spirituality but at least it's something that has a chance to last.
This post is probably extremely offensive to most if not all of you. However, if we live in a world of complete politically correctness, there's no way to get your point across to anyone. With that in mind, I'm going to repost what i post on my facebook blog. Let's just say the few people close to me are less than amuse by it.
Quote:This is of course base on the religion itself and not really the people in the religion. Not everyone in the higher level religion are spiritually higher than the one in the lower, but as with everything in life, this is base on average and it's base on the teaching of its' religion. With this in mind, I shall list the highest quality of spiritual teaching from highest level to lowest. This post isnt meant to be politically correct. Sometime, the truth isnt meant to be politically correct.
RE: Anyone here ever have a passion on spirituality? - Philip - 08-16-2011 07:04 PM
Quote:With this in mind, I shall list the highest quality of spiritual teaching from highest level to lowest. This post isnt meant to be politically correct. Sometime, the truth isnt meant to be politically correct.
No wonder your posts piss people off. This sounds arrogant.
On topic: I like advaita.
RE: Anyone here ever have a passion on spirituality? - Mark - 08-16-2011 07:54 PM
"Ranking" spiritualities is not very uhh... spiritual.
RE: Anyone here ever have a passion on spirituality? - saito - 08-16-2011 08:16 PM
@Philip: Sometimes frequently pissing people off is indicative of a low social/emotional intelligence. Other times you just need to be brutaly honest to help people becoming more self-aware and, above all, in order to express your own needs which is important for your own peace of mind. For example, in Germany where I am from (saito is not my real name) people usually are extremly politically correct and this absurd tolerance goes so far that one politician who therefore wrote a book called "Germany abolishes itself" [translation] was noticed to leave his job and is criticized by pretty much everyone; sometimes they even throw him out of restaurants etc. How tolerant is that?! Not at all. It's a dictatorship of tolerance.
On topic: the islam has various different stand points of views. Dangerous extremists, even atheists and very very tolerant practioners etc.. You can't put all those people into one category such as "low" or "savage."
RE: Anyone here ever have a passion on spirituality? - Mark - 08-16-2011 09:39 PM
Same thing with Buddhism. The Buddhism we get in the West barely resembles the historic Buddhism of the East. It was largely filtered through a handful of particular monks who traveled to the US and the beatnik followers they initially attracted. Buddhism also has a history of oppression and intolerance and slaughter like any other religion. Hinduism is the same. Taoism as well.
Every religion has the potential for serious spiritual growth, it also has potential to be oppressive and intolerant. What a person gets out of each one is going to depend on the person, not the religion. Some of the world's most beautiful luminaries and thinkers were Muslim. Look up Rumi or Sufism. The Quran and Bible and Torah say a lot of fucked up and violent stuff. They also say a lot of eloquent things and express beautiful ideas.
Also, FYI, a recent study found Muslims to be, on a person-to-person basis, far less violent than any other religion... by a long shot as well. Muslims are also known for their amazing hospitality... famous for it, really. I actually find Islam to be the most beautiful world religion. Their customs are pretty awe-inspiring and most serious Muslims I've met carry themselves with a great deal of humility. Read Malcolm X's account on his conversion to Islam and his pilgrimage to Mecca. It's really, really amazing. It completely changed his life.
But in my opinion, the whole idea of "ranking" religion is moronic. You may as well rank pizza toppings.
The reason most people find your post offensive Brian is because: 1) religion/spirituality is incredibly personal to many people, myself included, and to have someone rank them like they're baseball players comes across as very insensitive, especially when 2) your tone is very condescending and arrogant, and 3) it's clear you don't actually know a whole lot about half the religions you're talking about. How many Buddhist temples or Ashrams have you practiced in? Ever been to India? Are you aware of the Gnostics or the Qabbalah as higher forms of Western spirituality? What's the difference between Reform and Orthodox Jews? Or how about the differences between Shia and Sunnis? What about Mormons and Methodists? What do you think of Calvinism? Shintoism? Sufism? Sikhism? These are all major and important sub-groups of world religions and comparing them is apples to oranges. Everything you write just comes across as very reductionist and therefore ignorant.
You asked if any of us were into this stuff. I spent most of my time between ages 15 and 22 reading about nothing but philosophy and spirituality and was very active in a Zen practice during that time. I took a number of courses on Islam in college. I went to a private Christian school growing up and attended chapel every day for years. I know Philip has spent many years studying this stuff as well.
If you're really interested in stuff relating to religion/spirituality and how it relates to human evolution of consciousness as well as society, I highly, highly recommend starting with Ken Wilbur. I'd start with "A Brief History of Everything" or "Up From Eden." Also, Huston Smith's "The World's Religions" gets at what you're trying to talk about here, although in a much more fair and, ahem, well-researched way. His book "Forgotten Truth" was very influential as well. And if you really want to tickle your hierarchy bone and rank a bunch of stuff that doesn't necessarily ever need to be ranked, check out "Spiral Dynamics" by Don Beck.
But a word of social dynamics advice: when you decide to blast out your opinions about a particularly sensitive subject matter, tread more carefully. Make sure you know what you're talking about. And have a little humility. It'll go over much better.
RE: Anyone here ever have a passion on spirituality? - matty - 08-16-2011 10:10 PM
Not so much offensive as poorly written. Not only is the idea of ranking religions absurd in the extreme, you provide little except for caricatures of these religions in your descriptions. It's as if you skimmed through the primary text without giving any thought to hermeneutics, history, or cultural context. It would seriously behoove you to crack a few books.
RE: Anyone here ever have a passion on spirituality? - Brian - 08-17-2011 12:51 AM
I knew immediately this post would generate this level of hatred given the fact very few people really know the direction of their own spiritual path. For most people, spirituality is given as much thought as "something that is beautiful" like an art, instead of something that would actually help them growth.
People are so offended by the "ranking" system that they completely forgot that I said "the teaching" and not the people in it. I have said above that there are different levels of spirituality on the people and it's independent of religion. Although on "average" the level of spirituality on the higher level religion are definitely higher than the lower one. A good case would be 90 percent of hinduism are vegetarian while in the past the judasim actually condone animal sacrifice and i heard there are small instances that they still do it now.
But given how most people lacking of spiritual depth, i wasnt surprise about the anger in these posts.
(08-16-2011 08:16 PM)saito Wrote: @Philip: Sometimes frequently pissing people off is indicative of a low social/emotional intelligence. Other times you just need to be brutaly honest to help people becoming more self-aware and, above all, in order to express your own needs which is important for your own peace of mind. For example, in Germany where I am from (saito is not my real name) people usually are extremly politically correct and this absurd tolerance goes so far that one politician who therefore wrote a book called "Germany abolishes itself" [translation] was noticed to leave his job and is criticized by pretty much everyone; sometimes they even throw him out of restaurants etc. How tolerant is that?! Not at all. It's a dictatorship of tolerance.
Read my post more carefully. I put the people who "take everything of value and attack people to steal people's value" as savages. I did state that islam do have basic morality and that it tries to teach it's people to rise above that, which unfortunately the dangerious extremist do not even read the quran. However, it's morality is still low in comparison to other religion. As was stated, cutting off peoples hand from stealing is inferior to self sacrifice of christianity(which most christian do not do) or understanding the law of karma of buddhism.
RE: Anyone here ever have a passion on spirituality? - Jon - 08-17-2011 01:30 AM
Brian, the problem with your post is not that it is controversial, it is that you showed a total ignorance of world religions. Then when people attack you, you use the technique of "the fact that people think I am wrong shows that I'm just so right" when actually your problem is you are totally ignorant on the facts.
For instance, while some Hindu sects are vegetarian, sacrifice was widespread during the Vedic period in india, and is actually mentioned in Hindu holy texts including the Rig Veda and the Kalika Purana. In fact in Tamil Nadu animal sacrifice is still practiced among hindu populations, and a normal part of the practice.
By contrast, in Judaism, animal sacrifice ended with the destruction of the Second Temple. Since the temple is the only place where Korban (the hebrew word for sacrifice) was allowed to happen, there has not been any animal sacrifice since that time.
RE: Anyone here ever have a passion on spirituality? - Brian - 08-17-2011 02:10 AM
Ok, I stand correct by this because I do not know of this.
When I compare religion, i meant the literal meaning of the actual teaching itself in comparison to others. Since most of you barely ever read the teaching and cares more about the "arts and history" of it, it's pointless to even discuss it with you.
RE: Anyone here ever have a passion on spirituality? - Mark - 08-17-2011 02:15 AM
Well, then you should have been more specific and said, "primary texts of religions" not "religions." Comparing the Bible to the Quran is quite different from comparing Christianity to Islam.