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RE: Mark Sisson's blog(fitness and nutrition) - Jon - 06-28-2011 02:17 AM
(06-27-2011 06:35 AM)lapuma Wrote: in terms of fitness, this study seemed to be pretty good for the general population: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo
I personally like Nate Miyaki from t-nation.com's approach. Here are his first 2 articles on there:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/warrior_fitness_who_or_whats_a_nate_miyaki
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/paleo_nutrition_improved
A lot of what Miyaki says makes sense - although I do find that bit where the reporter at the beginning is complaining that guys nowadays don't want to look like Arnold, and want functional fitness.
RE: Mark Sisson's blog(fitness and nutrition) - Happy - 06-28-2011 02:58 AM
(06-27-2011 08:13 AM)Jon Wrote: Calcium doesn't lead to weight loss:Did you even read the article?
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20081008/study-calcium-no-help-fat-loss
Link to the actual paper of the study? (Seems to have a useless design anyhow, as it only can show that there seems to be no direct effects on fat metabolism of calcium supplementation)
Calcium does have benefits for health & body composition.
Effect of calcium from dairy and dietary supplements on faecal fat excretion: a meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19493303
Testosterone levels in athletes at rest and exhaustion: effects of calcium supplementation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19099204
RE: Mark Sisson's blog(fitness and nutrition) - lapuma - 06-28-2011 05:05 AM
(06-27-2011 07:31 AM)Happy Wrote:(06-27-2011 06:35 AM)lapuma Wrote: in terms of fitness, this study seemed to be pretty good for the general population: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo
I personally like Nate Miyaki from t-nation.com's approach. Here are his first 2 articles on there:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/warrior_fitness_who_or_whats_a_nate_miyaki
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/paleo_nutrition_improved
Well his opinion about Dairy is rather dumb considering the fat loss benefits of a calcium rich diet. But whatever floats your boat.
I don't know enough science to know who is right or wrong about dairy, but I mainly just meant the whole "paleo = good, but if you do exercise, throw in some healthy non-grain carbs as well"
RE: Mark Sisson's blog(fitness and nutrition) - Happy - 06-28-2011 05:43 AM
(06-28-2011 05:05 AM)lapuma Wrote:(06-27-2011 07:31 AM)Happy Wrote:(06-27-2011 06:35 AM)lapuma Wrote: in terms of fitness, this study seemed to be pretty good for the general population: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo
I personally like Nate Miyaki from t-nation.com's approach. Here are his first 2 articles on there:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/warrior_fitness_who_or_whats_a_nate_miyaki
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/paleo_nutrition_improved
Well his opinion about Dairy is rather dumb considering the fat loss benefits of a calcium rich diet. But whatever floats your boat.
I don't know enough science to know who is right or wrong about dairy, but I mainly just meant the whole "paleo = good, but if you do exercise, throw in some healthy non-grain carbs as well"
Well, what does "paleo" mean anyway. Rather useless term, because everybody just mashes their preferences with some romanticized cave man fantasy (not that there is anything wrong with it, if it helps you to stick with a decent diet) and calls it "paleo". You can eat very unhealthy and very healthy with and without adhering to paleo guidelines. Calling eating healthy "healthy eating" might be smarter, but it would lack the potential for cultish behavior and the newness (hipster factor).
Very similar to PU.
Some background knowledge in that area is very useful as otherwise you'll tend to be easily swayed by what sounds logical and/or appealing to you.
I'd recommend looking into it (or looking for people who can provide you with good evidence for their claims).
RE: Mark Sisson's blog(fitness and nutrition) - lapuma - 06-28-2011 08:15 AM
(06-28-2011 05:43 AM)Happy Wrote:(06-28-2011 05:05 AM)lapuma Wrote:(06-27-2011 07:31 AM)Happy Wrote:(06-27-2011 06:35 AM)lapuma Wrote: in terms of fitness, this study seemed to be pretty good for the general population: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo
I personally like Nate Miyaki from t-nation.com's approach. Here are his first 2 articles on there:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/warrior_fitness_who_or_whats_a_nate_miyaki
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/most_recent/paleo_nutrition_improved
Well his opinion about Dairy is rather dumb considering the fat loss benefits of a calcium rich diet. But whatever floats your boat.
I don't know enough science to know who is right or wrong about dairy, but I mainly just meant the whole "paleo = good, but if you do exercise, throw in some healthy non-grain carbs as well"
Well, what does "paleo" mean anyway. Rather useless term, because everybody just mashes their preferences with some romanticized cave man fantasy (not that there is anything wrong with it, if it helps you to stick with a decent diet) and calls it "paleo". You can eat very unhealthy and very healthy with and without adhering to paleo guidelines. Calling eating healthy "healthy eating" might be smarter, but it would lack the potential for cultish behavior and the newness (hipster factor).
Very similar to PU.
Some background knowledge in that area is very useful as otherwise you'll tend to be easily swayed by what sounds logical and/or appealing to you.
I'd recommend looking into it (or looking for people who can provide you with good evidence for their claims).
Honestly, I think paleo is a great start for most people, in particular Mark Sisson's approach to it. Even if there's different versions and it's fantasized with "caveman imagery", the fact one if it's central tenants is basically cut out all processed carbs, I don't see how that can be a bad thing.
Anyways, I've done some research into keto eating, low-carbing, paleo, etc, and read a little bit of "good calories, bad calories" by Gary Taubes. But rather than sitting and researching the stuff all day and never taking action, I just decided to go for it, and cut out all processed carbs like breads, pastas, etc (except for the occasional cheat meal) and increased my meat and fat consumption. Not sure if I ended up following a "true paleo" diet, but it doesn't matter since what I did was working for me and I ended up going from 15% BF to 10% BF within a couple of months.
So like your PU analogy, rather than being a keyboard jockey dieter, it's more important to do the approaches (try out a diet) and figure out what works best for you (tweak it to make it work). For me, paleo + dairy + rice + occasional cheat meals works the best.
Also, for anyone who wants a good protein/energy bar without too much sugar in it, there's a really good recipe on there that tastes amazing. I'll look it up a little later, if anyone wants the recipe.
RE: Mark Sisson's blog(fitness and nutrition) - Happy - 06-29-2011 01:43 AM
The problem lies in the dogmatic and therefore flawed approach to finding the healthiest/optimal diet for your goals.
Just like with PU people end up in very unhealthy (or just weird) places because of this (eating disorders, lack of results, because "kcal don't count" etc).
Of course it "works" in many cases, but that doesn't mean its right. Obviously it's better than a lot out there, I agree. It still could be improved a lot.
RE: Mark Sisson's blog(fitness and nutrition) - Brian - 06-29-2011 06:20 AM
To be honest, the people that i seen who have the most energy, beside eating and exercising, they are also heavily involve in yoga.
Yoga helps with the overall circulation of your blood, which is extremely important to your health. Before yoga, i need a cup of coffee everyday just to be somewhat alert. After yoga, i quit coffee completely.
RE: Mark Sisson's blog(fitness and nutrition) - Happy - 06-29-2011 07:54 AM
(06-29-2011 06:20 AM)Brian Wrote: Yoga helps with the overall circulation of your blood, which is extremely important to your health. Before yoga, i need a cup of coffee everyday just to be somewhat alert. After yoga, i quit coffee completely.
What?
Coffee has health benefits up to several cups/day.
RE: Mark Sisson's blog(fitness and nutrition) - Jon - 06-30-2011 05:33 AM
So, as far as I can tell, Mark Sisson's primal blueprint is basically a low carb diet. The paleo diet promoted by people such as Loren Cordain actually says to avoid saturated fat, grains, dairy, etc. Mark says dairy is ok, saturated fat is fine, butter is great. He advocates 150 grams of carbs per day at most, which is moderately low carb, but not atkins level (40 grams per day). It actually seems like he's promoting a fairly standard low carb diet and just smacking pictures of cavemen all over the place as a branding tactic (nothing particularly wrong with that, I just think the whole "primal" thing muddies the issue when you get down to the science). What I do like about Mark's site is the focus is on eating healthy over the long term, not "how to lose so much weight so quickly!!!"
RE: Mark Sisson's blog(fitness and nutrition) - crazyhorse - 06-30-2011 05:58 AM
http://www.gnolls.org/
This is a great website from a former vegan, who now eat paleo.
Honestly when it comes to nutrition: try it out and see if it works for you. Because it's a minefield and no one agrees 100% on anything.
dairy for calcium? http://www.google.be/search?um=1&hl=nl&biw=1366&bih=598&tbm=isch&btnG=Zoeken&q=rapen This vegetable contains twice as much calcium then milk (with equal weight)
And the list goes on.....
Here's an example of a football player who eats paleo:
http://wn.com/John_Welbourn_and_the_Paleo_diet
The guy is pretty big.
For me I'm trying it out now, i've noticed that I function great on a low carb diet. So I'm really curious about the results, I'm aiming for 2600 kcal a day. By doing that I can still gain muscle and work out decently.