(04-30-2011 06:32 PM)Happy Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 12:58 PM)matty Wrote:  I will tell you that if you attempt this endeavour, you should heed Sisson's advice about keeping your fat intake high. If you attempt to keep both your fat intake low while only eating Veggie's and Fruit for carbs, your going to be absolutely miserable. I did this the first time I tried the Primal Blueprint, and by day three I was so miserable and depressed, i had to go off it. Tried it again with the fat intake bumped up....much more pleasant

Yes, that can matter. But it depends on what you mean with "low fat" intake. 0.8-1.2 g/kg is a good guideline for many. Sufficient Protein and some carbs with a kcal deficit and you'll be sure to reach your fat loss goals.

(04-30-2011 11:00 PM)matty Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 06:32 PM)Happy Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 12:58 PM)matty Wrote:  I will tell you that if you attempt this endeavour, you should heed Sisson's advice about keeping your fat intake high. If you attempt to keep both your fat intake low while only eating Veggie's and Fruit for carbs, your going to be absolutely miserable. I did this the first time I tried the Primal Blueprint, and by day three I was so miserable and depressed, i had to go off it. Tried it again with the fat intake bumped up....much more pleasant

Yes, that can matter. But it depends on what you mean with "low fat" intake. 0.8-1.2 g/kg is a good guideline for many. Sufficient Protein and some carbs with a kcal deficit and you'll be sure to reach your fat loss goals.

I'm not sure exactly what my fat intake amounted to. On my second go around on the Primal Blueprint, I was eating my eggs with all the yolks, cooking with butter, using olive oil and never trimming fat off my meat, which made the fact that my carb intake was low much more pleasant. On the other hand, I know people who use the high protein, moderate carb plan you describe with fantastic results and they do great on it. Millage probably varies from person to person. All I know is that for me, bumping the fat up yielded significant results, and had no negative implications for weight loss.

(04-30-2011 11:12 PM)Happy Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 11:00 PM)matty Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 06:32 PM)Happy Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 12:58 PM)matty Wrote:  I will tell you that if you attempt this endeavour, you should heed Sisson's advice about keeping your fat intake high. If you attempt to keep both your fat intake low while only eating Veggie's and Fruit for carbs, your going to be absolutely miserable. I did this the first time I tried the Primal Blueprint, and by day three I was so miserable and depressed, i had to go off it. Tried it again with the fat intake bumped up....much more pleasant

Yes, that can matter. But it depends on what you mean with "low fat" intake. 0.8-1.2 g/kg is a good guideline for many. Sufficient Protein and some carbs with a kcal deficit and you'll be sure to reach your fat loss goals.

I'm not sure exactly what my fat intake amounted to. On my second go around on the Primal Blueprint, I was eating my eggs with all the yolks, cooking with butter, using olive oil and never trimming fat off my meat, which made the fact that my carb intake was low much more pleasant. On the other hand, I know people who use the high protein, moderate carb plan you describe with fantastic results and they do great on it. Millage probably varies from person to person. All I know is that for me, bumping the fat up yielded significant results, and had no negative implications for weight loss.

I do get what you are saying.

There can be negative implications for some who take this "fat is good" message, that is widespread amongst the paleo community, too far and hamper their progress. Your fat intake was obviously low enough to allow an energy deficit, so the diet worked well. I did not describe a no fat approach btw, but an intake range that covers the sweet spot of fat intake for most (be it fat loss, maintenance or muscle gain).

Seen that far too often so I just wanted to provide some overall context.

(04-30-2011 06:41 PM)Happy Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 07:05 AM)Altitude Wrote:  

(04-30-2011 02:20 AM)Happy Wrote:  The really interesting part isn't that much what is bad for you, but what "too much" exactly is and why. And how to get people to change their behaviour.

As for what the real experts are, that depends on your goals and circumstances.
Regarding Nutrition I'd listen to Alan Aragon. Great guy, smart and knowledgeable.
Lyle Mcdonald has fantastic material as well, but he can be hard to listen to (because of his mental problems with depression, anger and the like).
Martin Berkhan has good stuff, as does Coach Hale, Emma-Leigh, James Krieger and Børge Fagerli.
But of course you don't have to know every detail to get the major benefits personally. Just do the most important things (the fundamentals) right and results will astonish you.

I think I posted some links at some point.

Hey man you sound like you know your shit when it comes to fitness. I would really really appreciate it if you can help me. I'm a skinny guy and would like to get the lean look. I think it's called ottermode or something. There's just too much info out there so if you can tell me any methods/blogs/books that'll give me the right information to get the lean look I would be very grateful.

something like this is what i'm talking about: http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/28/fightclub.php

Never heard that one before. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ottermode

It depends on where you are know and whether or not you know how to lift. How about you open a new thread with information on age, weight, bodyfat (or better a picture of your body, because many underestimate their bodyfat), strength levels, injuries/posture issues, training experience and very briefly on what you plan to do now.

Just don't forget that for most it's hard to look good with that little amount of muscle mass (and imbalanced distribution) and such low bodyfat. Brad Pitt is a special case, as he has the genes (bone+ muscle structure) to look good despite this. Thanks to make-up, lightening and the fact that it's a picture (people look more massive in pics/on screen) he looks pretty good as well.
But of course you should try abs out if you like.

(05-10-2011 12:59 AM)Happy Wrote:  Many overestimate the impact that getting fit, rich etc. makes to their lives. (Still worth doing it though)

(05-10-2011 08:29 AM)Brian Wrote:  Actually, imo, most community guys underestimate the benefits of becoming fit.

I've looked at bodybuilding.com and it seem the guys there on average gets laid with more women than most pua...and hotter women too.