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RE: How much does race really play a role? - Wizardry - 04-29-2011 01:43 AM
(04-14-2011 11:02 PM)Frozen Flame Wrote: Well that makes sense because 99,9% of people that I've met in my entire life are white... But what's weird is when some guys aren't attracted to girls of their own race
Dude, I grew up in Germany being an African-German, 90% of my friends are white and I was the only black/coloured boy in kindergarden and elementary school... So yea, I'm kind of accustomed to being attracted to white girls. Of course there are lots of coloured girls I am attracted to, but usually it's just the very hot ones... That I'm, in general, more attracted to white than to coloured girls feels a bit awkward - But it's how I'm wired.
Even if it can be problematic at times
RE: How much does race really play a role? - gold panda - 04-29-2011 06:26 AM
(04-29-2011 12:05 AM)Mark Wrote:Quote:Anyways the original question....anybody??? Didn't entropy use to work with an asian coach back in teh day? What happened to that guy????
Ah, now theres an Asian guy to aspire to.
Would you say that ones "race" can act as a limiting belief?
How was the guy looks wise would you say? Quality of the chicks he banged + was he really "Americanized"?
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Extropy - 04-29-2011 11:05 AM
Anyway, Mark, I was thinking about traveling to Argentina and Brazil (because I like foreign cultures and traveling obviously). How was your expience with the girls there? Language barrier (hablo un poco espanol...)?
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Mark - 04-29-2011 02:50 PM
Quote:Ah, now theres an Asian guy to aspire to.
Race is a very, very common limiting belief, primarily among Asian guys. The girls he got were definitely cute. I think anyone would have considered the girls he got as "out of his league." No idea what you mean by "Americanized." But yes, he was American.
I've met a number of Asian guys who get laid a lot. Asian guys rarely realize that their race can be an advantage or disadvantage depending on how they use it.
Quote:Anyway, Mark, I was thinking about traveling to Argentina and Brazil (because I like foreign cultures and traveling obviously). How was your expience with the girls there? Language barrier (hablo un poco espanol...)?
Significant language barrier in both countries. Very few people there will speak decent English (less than 20% in either country). Obviously a little Spanish/Portuguese will go a long way. Brazilian women are warm, friendly, beautiful and very sexual. Girls in Brazil are very forward and will often initiate or make ridiculously strong eye-contact with you if they like you. Argentinian women are a bit cold, reserved, and stick to social circles more. Argentinian women are a tougher nut to crack, plan on being rejected A LOT. Buenos Aires' night life is incredible though. Getting outside of Buenos Aires does make things a bit easier though.
Both countries have hotter women than we do.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Harry Potter - 04-29-2011 09:13 PM
(04-29-2011 02:50 PM)Mark Wrote:Quote:Ah, now theres an Asian guy to aspire to.
Kong from the SimplePickup videos did a few videos years ago about why Asian men don't get girls from other races here. I don't even think the Asian PUA they showed at the end really was that fantastic but it's mainly about limiting beliefs -- Kong in his recent videos seems way better than the other guy, he came quite a long way.
I'm sure there are racist girls who won't go out with Asian guys but isn't that a good thing in a way? You automatically filter out those who aren't interested and who would likely be pretty hard to get along with even if you were white.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Extropy - 04-29-2011 09:41 PM
LOL @ calling a girl racist just because she isnt interested in Asian guys or some Asian wannabe PUA.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Mark - 04-29-2011 10:07 PM
I honestly think there are very, very few racist women in the western countries these days. Not being attracted to people of another race doesn't make someone racist. I'm generally not attracted to black girls. I'm not racist, it's just very seldom that I find a black girl that attractive. But yes, if a girl is racist, why would want to date her anyway?
An advantage that guys of other races have is that some girls have fetishes. This particularly plays in black guys' favor. But I've seen it happen to Asian guys as well.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - KickBomber - 04-29-2011 10:43 PM
To say the white girls are ALL racist is a bit far. Some of the ones I've approached? Probably. But I'd say the vast majority aren't. This was something also mentioned in that other forum I linked to.
It's not that they're racist, it's just that as soon as a non-white guy approaches her, I'm sure one of the first things that runs through her mind is "what would my friends/social circle/family think?" And so she says no.
It's not that she hates you. Or even not attracted to you. It's just that she knows she's gonna have a lot of raised eyebrows in her direction, and she probably doesn't want to deal with that. One of the things I've learned in all these approaches is that girls will do just about anything to keep things from getting awkward. And dating someone outside her race is bound to make things awkward somewhere with someone.
Case in point. This girl gave me a fake number Sunday (the second ever since fucking November). By total chance I ran into her again about an hour later and called her out on it. She swore it was a mistake. Long story short, she told me I put it in wrong and gave me the real number. Guess what? Also fake. Instead of just owning up to it, she decided to avoid the awkward embarrassment and give me ANOTHER fake number. The most incredible thing I've ever seen.
And I'm just guessing, but I suspect that a lot of the girls I've approached, it would be a different story if I was in her social circle. If I already knew her and her friends and made a move, I bet quite a few of them would go for it. Because then she KNOWS her friends would be cool with it. She KNOWS her social circle isn't going to look at her weird, because we're all cool already. And if the social circle did have a problem with it, THEY'D be in the wrong for being two-faced.
I think in a lot of cases it's not about the girls being 'racist', it's about them not wanting to deal with the social pressure. I'm friends with a few white girls, and when we walk down the street, there are stares aplenty. I'm sure the girls don't give a damn, since we're just friends and these random strangers don't know that. But I'd bet they'd be in a whole different mindset if we were dating.
I'm sure there's less stigma for an asian guy than a black one, but still.
"I honestly think there are very, very few racist women in the western countries these days."
What a world you live in. The stories I have of growing up in Texas.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Frozen Flame - 04-29-2011 10:55 PM
Kick, you really think she flaked on you just because of your race??
RE: How much does race really play a role? - KickBomber - 04-30-2011 12:08 AM
(04-29-2011 10:55 PM)Frozen Flame Wrote: Kick, you really think she flaked on you just because of your race??
The girl who gave me the multiple fake numbers?
No, I didn't say that at all. What I said about her was that she would rather give me fake numbers, than just go through the slight 'awkwardness' of telling me 'no thanks'. Personally, I'd much rather have the 'no' than a useless number. If I see her again, I just might call her on it a second time.
I have no idea if/what role my race played. And with most of them I'll have no idea. All I'm saying is, that it is a fact that with some of these girls (who knows how many), it DOES play a role. It'd be delusional for any non-white person to think otherwise.
Here, since no one wants to go read the other forum about this very same topic, I'll post a section here:
"All in all, this post reminds me of posts about how tall guys have it easy or guys that are good looking got it made. It might be a bit more work but is it like your metaphor of starting a game down 50? Hardly. Knowing what you know about seduction which sounds like a lot to me, you should be constantly improving your ratio with white women.
FreeStylez response - This isn't really a thread akin to how tall guys have it easy, i'd say that it's kind of like two salesmen of equal skill trying to sell umbrellas door to door based on their salesmen skill... one operates out of Seattle and the other operates out of Las Vegas in the desert. The one in Vegas meets the one in Seattle on let's say a business trip and is astounded as to why this salesmen of equal skill has such drastically higher results than him and comes to realize it's just about his location and market he's operating in.
Although as Crimson mentioned it should be common knowledge that if you're black/asian/minority and mainly gaming outside of your target market your results are going to be affected... it's not due to the message that's sent out on a lot of the game forums. I know myself as well as many other minorities I've met in the game were all confused at one point on why their results weren't there and anytime they'd even consider it might have something to do with race they just get flamed and told "NO, race doesn't matter AT ALL, if you can't get the same results as this white guy in this venue it's just because his game is better than yours,all that matters in this game IS your game".
I'm trying, but I really can't explain it any more thoroughly than FreeStylez did over there.