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RE: How much does race really play a role? - KickBomber - 04-13-2011 04:25 AM
I should state that the vast majority of those numbers were gotten in less than 10 minutes, in the set. But even then, I couldn't get most of them to even respond to texts or pick up the phone.
In the streetgame sticking point thread you said this:
- If she is interested in meeting you, then she's going to stop regardless of what you say.
- If she's not interested in meeting you, then nothing you say is going to change that.
If that's the way it is, an awfully huge majority aren't even curious about meeting me.
Today when I went out I did 5 approaches (it started raining), and 4 of those 5 took off as soon as I finished the opener. And that's how it goes most of the time. I've decided not to walk after them, so I can count how many make a quick move to leave. I don't think my delivery's off, I've said it a million times now. And it's not as if I'm saying it differently these times compared to when they DO stop to talk. It's very frustrating not knowing why this keeps happening.
And I've noticed something else that I can't explain. My asian friend who I do streetgame with maybe once or twice a week says the EXACT same opener. By far, he gets more conversations than I do. When he stops them, they more often than not STAY stopped, to talk. But then they don't give him a number at the end of the conversation. And even stranger, though I get much less conversations, I've managed more numbers. Even though they end up useless, so maybe I should stop asking for awhile.
I don't know any other way to test what's going on, then to change where I am and who I'm talking to.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Lycan - 04-13-2011 05:36 AM
The opener shouldnt really matter as long as its direct and has a pacing statement.
So the problem is most likely your delivery. It doesnt matter that you said it a million times before if your bodylanguage is weird or you arent smiling, its bad. Maybe you dont sound like you mean it since you said it so often
Look at it this way, the girls who are stopping are doing it despite your bad delivery
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Mark - 04-13-2011 05:44 AM
Kick: You're either opening with horrible mechanics (terrible tonality, bad body language, awkward positioning, etc.), or you don't look good at all. It's obvious that you're making a very poor first impression, otherwise you'd be stopping more of these girls. Obviously, race isn't a factor since your Asian friend is getting girls to stop (that and I've seen plenty of black/latino guys stop girls regularly on the street).
How's your fashion and style? What do you normally wear?
Also, do you have a thick accent or anything?
RE: How much does race really play a role? - KickBomber - 04-13-2011 02:04 PM
I usually wear dark blue jeans and a fitted black t-shirt. I have a pretty muscular, athletic body. I have dreadlocks that stop an inch or two above my shoulders.
And no accent at all. People are usually surprised when they hear I'm from Texas (they think we all have accents).
My night approaches go dramatically better, but maybe that's because they've been drinking. I'm a little more nervous during the day, but I wouldn't think the difference would be this negative.
I don't know how to rate my own looks, but I think it's safe to say I'm not ugly. The girl I went on those dates with months ago said I was 'really hot'. Two weeks ago in a bar, I walked up to a woman, and within three minutes she called me 'beautiful' and we were kissing. That same week a girl had come into where I work and called me cute. A woman and man on separate occasions have asked me if I'm a model. The woman also said I 'have beautiful lips'. Two women have asked if I'm a dancer. A man in a wheelchair even came in once and said I 'must be gettin mad bitches'. That one definitely stung given the reality.
I only mention all this since you asked about my appearance. I keep getting TOLD i'm attractive by random strangers, but it doesn't seem to have any effect on my day approaches, so either i'm not really that good looking, or looks are inconsequential.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Mark - 04-13-2011 02:59 PM
Yeah, you sound fine looks-wise.
My guess is you're doing something wrong mechanically. The thing about day game is that if you screw up the approach even a little, you're more or less cooked... It just sounds like you're screwing something up over and over and not realizing. Ask your wingmen to watch you and critique your body language, positioning, etc.
Oh, and make sure you're smiling.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - KickBomber - 04-13-2011 03:55 PM
This is all very frustrating. I'll watch some krauser and daygame.com videos and mimic their body language the next time I go out.
What do you mean by positioning?
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Mark - 04-13-2011 04:10 PM
For instance, if you try to talk to a girl from behind her, you're going to scare the shit out of her.
My guess is there's some subtle but important problem with your mechanics or delivery. My guess is also that if you fix it, your results will shoot up considerably.
I won't be in NYC until June, but if I was there, I could come out, charge you an hour and probably spot it within a set or two.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - KickBomber - 04-13-2011 05:03 PM
Well if I'm walking behind her I speed up to catch her, touch her lightly on the forearm, and say 'excuse me'. I'm usually to their side and slighly behind when I do this. This is how I was shown to do it by a guy up here. Most of the time this gets them to stop, and they listen to the opener. THEN they leave. Every now and then it does scare one, those usually had headphones in.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Mark - 04-13-2011 05:36 PM
Don't touch them on the open... ever.
If you startle a girl, it's over.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - questra - 04-13-2011 07:22 PM
(04-12-2011 10:34 PM)Harry Potter Wrote: Speaking as an Asian, I have to say that most Asian females that I've seen in White-Asian couples are not very attractive by Asian standards. I don't believe this is racist; it's a common sentiment among most Asians from Thailand to Japan. Granted, pretty often the white guy isn't much to look at either but I've seen a few who seemed to be settling far below their own level of attractiveness. This guy is a white American living in Japan, he uses a lot of the old PUA terminology but I find his approach quite novel -- he also talks about a lot of gaijin guys settling.
Harry Potter, I totally agree with you... I see a lot of foreign guys (who I perceive as having high value, good looks, money, etc.) seeming to settle for asian girls far below their level of attractiveness here in Asia. I guess this just lends credence to the idea that everyone rates beauty/attractiveness and the supposedly 'perfect 10' differently.
As far as locals are concerned, I find there is generally some variance in which girls a Chinese, Malay and an Indian guy would consider hot. And yes, white guys are generally perceived as very high value over here - just glad that you guys seem to go for the ones we don't really think are that hot