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How much does race really play a role? - jcxky - 04-12-2011 01:52 PM
I know Mark was going to discuss race but he hasn't made his post yet. How much does race does play a role for some girls for some parts of the world? Is it the case that universally white guys will have automatic success and will hook up with any girls of any ethnicity with ease? Or do girls of certain ethnicities have actual preferences other then whites? I think and believe that character, presence, and confidence can overcome those barriers but everyone is different obviously. What parts of America and the world can race play a role in hooking up? I have heard that in places like Eastern Europe its very easy for people who are Brown and in some cases Black people to hook up with hot chicks there, while its the opposite case in places like Texas or Virginia. Any stories and information people should know about this subject in respect to different places/countries around the world?
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Mark - 04-12-2011 03:27 PM
Depends where you are. Some places it's a major factor. Others it's not much of one at all.
White guys don't have advantages everywhere, but overall they probably have it the easiest by quite a bit. There are regions where Latin/Black/Asian guys can have advantages.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Elysium - 04-12-2011 03:44 PM
I remember that Mark has a post about how easy it is in Thailand to be a white male (although if I recall correctly, the point of the post was about supply, demand, and the resulting attitude towards sex in terms of need). I would definitely agree that character, confidence, all those things matter more, but being different or unique is a clear physical trait that will help attract someone to you initially without speaking to them.
As you mentioned, I would say that it depends on the hetero/home-geneity of the place and then the culture itself. My friend Rebecca, who is American of Bangladeshi descent, was in Chile, and definitely stood out compared to the paler Chileans. However -- they confused her for being an indigenous minority that thus treated her very poorly. So even though looking more exotic may work, it depends on what is associated with that race. I think you can imagine applying that to stereotypes about minorities in America but it still is VERY relative in my opinion. Being an attractive black man in affluent Westchester County, NY compared to Nowhere, West Texas...where do you think the stereotype is going to matter most?
Another friend of mine was the only white guy in a historically black fraternity that always did mixers with their corresponding sorority and he just cleaned up with ease because he stood out. A tall friend of mine also gets a lot of hits off the bat initially because of his height. Having traveled a lot and being mixed white/Asian in the U.S. has been beneficial in my opinion because I look mainstream but slightly exotic at the same time (sometimes I get confused for white Hispanic).
And then from there...everyone has their preferences. OKCupid's blog OKTrends has a pretty interesting article for further reading that analyzes message reply by race in online dating. I think what's interesting is that despite stating openness to different races, the reality is much different and people generally just search for those within their own racial group.
(the post is titled because data shows that white people get the most messages since they make up the biggest share of users/the dating pie as to get more accurate data)
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Mark - 04-12-2011 04:07 PM
In the developed world, things like personality, character and confidence definitely matter more by a long-shot.
In the third world, unfortunately that's not true... I could have been a raging lunatic and eaten my own feces in public and still gotten laid in Asia because I was tall and white.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - KickBomber - 04-12-2011 07:00 PM
I'm black and I'm from north texas, but I live in new york. All the game I've done has been since moving to ny. I get better reactions and sets by FAR doing nightgame compared to day. Although it's hard to know how much of that is a factor of race or less than stellar game. I have no way of switching bodies, so I guess I'll never know.
I've been considering doing some daygame in harlem one day just to see what/if there'll be a difference in the results, but I haven't been able to bring myself to spend that extra 30-45 mins to get there yet.
Given my results in union square, I can only imagine the disaster it's going to be when I go back to north texas in a few months.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Harry Potter - 04-12-2011 10:34 PM
Speaking as an Asian, I have to say that most Asian females that I've seen in White-Asian couples are not very attractive by Asian standards. I don't believe this is racist; it's a common sentiment among most Asians from Thailand to Japan. Granted, pretty often the white guy isn't much to look at either but I've seen a few who seemed to be settling far below their own level of attractiveness. This guy is a white American living in Japan, he uses a lot of the old PUA terminology but I find his approach quite novel -- he also talks about a lot of gaijin guys settling.
Of course, I don't exactly find the "gyaru" girls he likes that attractive (Class A in his terminology) but they at least look better than the girls with the typically exaggerated Asian features that many Westerners go for.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Frozen Flame - 04-13-2011 01:26 AM
From my experience, in Europe race doesn't matter nearly as much as your nationality. Being different race then white makes you stand out which almost always works to your advantage.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Mark - 04-13-2011 01:28 AM
I've heard black and Latin guys kill it in the Scandanavian countries.
Likewise, blond hair blue eyed guys do well in Latin America.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - KickBomber - 04-13-2011 02:34 AM
I got a lot of stares in Prague. But I had absolutely zero bar or street game back then, so nothing came of it except a makeout with one girl. And she was a terrible kisser.
But here in the states, I'm coming up on 200 street approaches in the Union Square area, with 2 dates with one girl to show for it. And about 20 numbers that went nowhere. I refuse to believe I'm this unattractive.
I'm going to make the trek to Harlem tomorrow or the day after and see if the results are noticeably different.
Also, there's a really good post on this same topic Here.
RE: How much does race really play a role? - Mark - 04-13-2011 02:39 AM
You shouldn't be getting flakes from day game. If that many girls are flaking you're doing something wrong.
I'm pretty sure race in NYC is not going to be your issue.