05-11-2011, 09:26 AM
I'm not sure exactly what I'm getting at here, but I have some general thoughts Id like to share.
Lets say your walking down a street, out in public etc. You see a girl you think is below or slightly below your own attractiveness. Then you know your not punching above your weight right? You firstly feel that a) going over to chat to her isn't going to be a big problem, because you think somewhat objectively that you are basically more attractive then her. b) I guess the paradox is that you may not be as attracted her.
So anyway, you know your punching below your weight, so your probably likely to have success as your not going to have aa, and shes going to feel (probably) more interested/excited as a guy that is more attractive is showing interest in her.
If a girl around your attractiveness is walking down the same street its going to be harder to judge how its going to go. The main reason being is that attraction is to some degree subjective. There are of course ugly and hot, but when someone of a similar attractiveness is walking past its hard to judge - because she may feel subjectively that she is way more attractive then you, or subjectively she may feel less attractive to you.
Either way, you have a relative chance for some kind of success.
So now, lets say you think of yourself as a 7 of out ten. You see a stunning 9 walk down the streets(i know, grades are limiting etc but for arguments sake). You see this 9 and approach her. This time, you know you probably have way less chance then the girl less then attractive as you and the girl as attractive as you(as close as we one can objectively say). This time you know that your chances are of course way lower. And your LOGIC says - OK I could try, but its way less likely. There a tons of more attractive guys that she has access to etc. Of course we still have an element of subjectivity here. Perhaps she has low self esteem/thinks shes less attractive then she is etc.
But what Im getting at here is; isn't this all about basic logic to a large degree? Even if your an ugly small guy - if you are pretty sure that the girl walking past you is 10times worse then you - then you know your going to have a good chance.
So I sometimes feel like pick up is all about overriding logic. Its not that we are all lacking confidence or anything else. Its that to a large degree, most of us want the top percentile of girls yet most of us are in the average percentile of attractiveness. So we have to bypass our logic(as logic dictates that someone of lesser attractiveness is less likely to hook up with someone with higher attractiveness) to approach these kind of women.
We have to approach women enough till we get to a point where the logic changes from 'im average, shes hot, so why bother' to no longer having these feelings due to desensitization.
But I still wander. Sure, any one can game. Any guy can approach women. But hot women?!
There is a big difference. I dont want to put a negative spin on this all but im willing to bet - an average looking guy can approach a lot in one week, and he WILL have a lot more success. But the successes he has were within his existing percentile range (could be way lower of course or slightly higher). But I doubt that out of all of those women he approaches - that he has any increased success with the top percentile of women.
I guess hypothetically we can still say that if an average looking guy does approach a lot of women in a week - he's likely to have some success with slightly more attractive women then him - or maybe even some top percentile women that feel unattractive etc. But thats a poor rate of success either way.
I'm also basing my logic here on attraction purely in terms of physical looks here, which I believe is essentially the fundamental. And especially in terms of cold approaches, day or night.
What do people reckon?
Gamings easy. Its the quality of chicks that is the real issue.
Lets say your walking down a street, out in public etc. You see a girl you think is below or slightly below your own attractiveness. Then you know your not punching above your weight right? You firstly feel that a) going over to chat to her isn't going to be a big problem, because you think somewhat objectively that you are basically more attractive then her. b) I guess the paradox is that you may not be as attracted her.
So anyway, you know your punching below your weight, so your probably likely to have success as your not going to have aa, and shes going to feel (probably) more interested/excited as a guy that is more attractive is showing interest in her.
If a girl around your attractiveness is walking down the same street its going to be harder to judge how its going to go. The main reason being is that attraction is to some degree subjective. There are of course ugly and hot, but when someone of a similar attractiveness is walking past its hard to judge - because she may feel subjectively that she is way more attractive then you, or subjectively she may feel less attractive to you.
Either way, you have a relative chance for some kind of success.
So now, lets say you think of yourself as a 7 of out ten. You see a stunning 9 walk down the streets(i know, grades are limiting etc but for arguments sake). You see this 9 and approach her. This time, you know you probably have way less chance then the girl less then attractive as you and the girl as attractive as you(as close as we one can objectively say). This time you know that your chances are of course way lower. And your LOGIC says - OK I could try, but its way less likely. There a tons of more attractive guys that she has access to etc. Of course we still have an element of subjectivity here. Perhaps she has low self esteem/thinks shes less attractive then she is etc.
But what Im getting at here is; isn't this all about basic logic to a large degree? Even if your an ugly small guy - if you are pretty sure that the girl walking past you is 10times worse then you - then you know your going to have a good chance.
So I sometimes feel like pick up is all about overriding logic. Its not that we are all lacking confidence or anything else. Its that to a large degree, most of us want the top percentile of girls yet most of us are in the average percentile of attractiveness. So we have to bypass our logic(as logic dictates that someone of lesser attractiveness is less likely to hook up with someone with higher attractiveness) to approach these kind of women.
We have to approach women enough till we get to a point where the logic changes from 'im average, shes hot, so why bother' to no longer having these feelings due to desensitization.
But I still wander. Sure, any one can game. Any guy can approach women. But hot women?!
There is a big difference. I dont want to put a negative spin on this all but im willing to bet - an average looking guy can approach a lot in one week, and he WILL have a lot more success. But the successes he has were within his existing percentile range (could be way lower of course or slightly higher). But I doubt that out of all of those women he approaches - that he has any increased success with the top percentile of women.
I guess hypothetically we can still say that if an average looking guy does approach a lot of women in a week - he's likely to have some success with slightly more attractive women then him - or maybe even some top percentile women that feel unattractive etc. But thats a poor rate of success either way.
I'm also basing my logic here on attraction purely in terms of physical looks here, which I believe is essentially the fundamental. And especially in terms of cold approaches, day or night.
What do people reckon?
Gamings easy. Its the quality of chicks that is the real issue.